01-08-2012, 18:10
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Please tell me why there are women's sports?
Is that not discriminatory?
Since a woman can do anything a man can do, why is there an LPGA and a WNBA?
Shouldn't women be able to compete and earn positions on any teams a man can?
That would allow us to eliminate duplicate teams at every university with an athletics program. Great cost saving measure, especially since the only real revenue producing college sports are football and basketball.
Same applies for women's PT standards and Selective Service registration.
Everyone competes on the same scale. Just like the shorter or weaker guys at SFAS. No slack. Same standards.
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TR Sir,
Since the inception of PS.com, my little self has held one belief about this issue...and I am not even military...just been reading your posts which have stayed the exact same, and never faltered for the past seven years on this subject.....
There are jobs for women in the military, and wearing the GB is not one of them. Too many life and death issues.
Just my informed opinion...and not that it means a good gosh damn...
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01-30-2012, 00:50
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01-30-2012, 06:02
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The Onion
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That was from the Onion. Satire.
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01-30-2012, 06:57
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The facts and the arguments are just another of History's many recurring themes...
http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-1.html
And so it goes...
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01-30-2012, 19:05
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Any chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
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01-30-2012, 19:59
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Any chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
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Apparently your weak link, or at least one of them, is in reading comprehension.
Revisit the welcome email you received when you registered here and follow the instructions contained therein. Dont post again until you have completed it.
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01-31-2012, 09:21
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Any chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I am interested if your viewpoint is from that of an outsider looking in or do you have firsthand knowledge to back up your opinion?
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02-08-2012, 19:55
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endurance adventure racing encompasses many military disciplines...4 person teams are all required to have at least one female...my experience is that that alone is the x factor...
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02-08-2012, 20:02
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endurance adventure racing encompasses many military disciplines...4 person teams are all required to have at least one female...my experience is that that alone is the x factor...
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Do you think that they would have female members if it was not a requirement?
Would an all-male team be competitive?
Why or why not?
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02-08-2012, 20:46
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Do you think that they would have female members if it was not a requirement?
Would an all-male team be competitive?
Why or why not?
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all male teams dominated for years...a mixed team would likely not be competitive against an all male team...all female teams at best finish in the lower third...the rules were changed to "level" the field and expand the sport...to be clear, i do not believe females should be forward deployed in combat units...except in israel
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02-08-2012, 22:35
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I am interested if your viewpoint is from that of an outsider looking in or do you have firsthand knowledge to back up your opinion?
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What is so wrong about his (her?) statement? One doesn't even have to be in the military to discern an overwhelming historical pattern regarding women in combat roles. Seems like we are once again bowing to an unrestrained impulse to engage in a grand social experiment regardless of the cost.
How many women could successfully make it through SFAS? One or two out of a class of 300-400, if any? What would be the advantage to changing the entire program to accommodate them? Doesn't seem like there'd be any, unless of course you consider abstract notions of "fairness" and "equality". I think this concept probably applies to other combat jobs as well.
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02-09-2012, 00:33
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How many women could successfully make it through SFAS? One or two out of a class of 300-400, if any? What would be the advantage to changing the entire program to accommodate them? Doesn't seem like there'd be any, unless of course you consider abstract notions of "fairness" and "equality". I think this concept probably applies to other combat jobs as well.
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If any could pass physically, I would venture to guess they would be in an Olympic gym somewhere with endorsements from Nike or Under Armor, not Camp Mackall. I don't think *any* could make it through the physical stresses combined with the emotional and spiritual stresses. But then again, this answer is as theoretical as Sigaba's question of drones, robots and scientists making our combat loads lighter.
I love Billy's comments... math is a powerful tool for those with the capacity to appreciate it. MAN =/= WOMAN, just as 1 =/= 2.
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02-09-2012, 06:39
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Pentagon to Lift Some Restrictions on Women in Combat
Pentagon to Lift Some Restrictions on Women in Combat
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...men-in-combat/
"The Pentagon on Thursday will propose rule changes that will allow more women to formally serve in jobs closer to the front lines.
Defense officials say as many as 14,000 positions could be opened up, though the restrictions on women serving in infantry combat units will remain in place........"
For some reason when I did the highlight to cut and paste it turned pink instead of blue. Odd.
Anyway - support roles down to Bn level.
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02-09-2012, 06:57
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Originally Posted by John_Chrichton
What is so wrong about his (her?) statement? One doesn't even have to be in the military to discern an overwhelming historical pattern regarding women in combat roles. Seems like we are once again bowing to an unrestrained impulse to engage in a grand social experiment regardless of the cost.
How many women could successfully make it through SFAS? One or two out of a class of 300-400, if any? What would be the advantage to changing the entire program to accommodate them? Doesn't seem like there'd be any, unless of course you consider abstract notions of "fairness" and "equality". I think this concept probably applies to other combat jobs as well.
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I take issue with anyone who has made the choice not to serve their country in uniform thinking they get to have an opinion on the TTPs of those of us who do. My thoughts about women in combat are well known on this forum, that is not really the issue in my previous post. The issue is that as a woman, I have given almost 18 years of my life to the security of this nation, and some jackass who has never served doesn't get to have an opinion on what I can and cannot do while wearing the uniform.
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02-09-2012, 07:03
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Well...it all seems like a a bit of a de facto mumbojumbo paperwork drill to me...
This is an OIF vet singing the national anthem during a recent dedication ceremony at Bragg.
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