Debt limit could threaten military pay

[Stras]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

I saw this morning one top Army official and a Congressman confirmed that, if there is a shutdown, troops would not receive pay past April 8 and would have to be paid retroactively once legislation for funding is passed.

So how many times you gotten your back pay done on TIME!?!?! Yeap that's what I think too.

Never mind received interest on what the Gov't owes you for TDY or Taxes.....

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Richard

... if kids come to us (educators and teachers) from strong, healthy functioning families, it makes our job easier. If they do not come to us from strong, healthy, functioning families, it makes our job more important. And so it goes...
Richard

[Pete]

Back to pay being stopped.

The SOB stories have been all over the news. Two big line? Military families and National Parks.

Nowhere in the MSM have I seen it mentioned is that Obama overturned a directive put in place by Reagan to prevent the Military from not being paid. Ah, how long has Obama been in office? Around 2 years? So his directive is fairly new? You'd think that would get a little mention from the MSM.

But the MSM is in the tank for libs.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Pete

Back to pay being stopped.

The SOB stories have been all over the news. Two big line? Military families and National Parks.

Nowhere in the MSM have I seen it mentioned is that Obama overturned a directive put in place by Reagan to prevent the Military from not being paid. Ah, how long has Obama been in office? Around 2 years? So his directive is fairly new? You'd think that would get a little mention from the MSM.

But the MSM is in the tank for libs.

Seriously Pete,do you really think obama gives a f**k about the military getting paid?.........

Big Teddy

[1stindoor]

It's official, straight from DFAS's mouth

As a direct result of the unsigned budget, the April 2011 mid-month payments for all AC members was decreased by seven days of pay for the period of April 9-15, 2011. Leave and Earnings statements reflect a partial payment (PK03) established and collected, representing the seven days of pay. Once the budget has been approved, a subsequent payment for the residual amount will be issued and sent direct deposit to the member's financial institution for the pay that was suppressed by this action. No action is required by the Finance Network.

My mid month LES, showed up today...with half. Sounds like a bad Eddie Murphy jokeline.

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

My mid month LES, showed up today...with half.

Sorry fellas, hope it improves quickly for all families affected.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Sorry fellas, hope it improves quickly for all families affected.

Here's the sad part...I sent several Soldiers to AER to get their paperwork started...they were turned away. Told to come back next week when they've been given guidance and spoke with the Commanders.

A$$holes...I guess AER wasn't set up to handle short term loans to Soldiers in their time of need in order to make sure their basic needs were met.

[dennisw]

I heard on the radio that the congress passed a law to keep the military being paid while they sort out the budget, but apparently Obama has no signed it into law.

[CloseDanger]

Cutting off Soldiers pay while they are in 3 wars fighting barbarians from hell is the lowest of the low. At least government workers who get cut off in the have a chance to find other work to do and are with their families.

Now we will have Soldiers who have no pay to keep their houses and Dependants fed - and will be able to do nothing about it. The democrat enterprise is pure evil. POTUS is a despicable little man. No Leader, no King would cut his army off like that in a war but little man boy Barry.

Originally Posted by dennisw

I heard on the radio that the congress passed a law to keep the military being paid while they sort out the budget, but apparently Obama has no signed it into law.

[Box]

Maybe Senator Kerry was right:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."


Maybe if all of us silly uneducated military and government workers werent so much of a burden on the economy, then congress wouldn't have to shut down.



... for now, I will continue to sit around being terribly 'underwhelmed' by the performance of the goons living it up itside the 'beltway'

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by Pete

Back to pay being stopped.

The SOB stories have been all over the news. Two big line? Military families and National Parks.

Nowhere in the MSM have I seen it mentioned is that Obama overturned a directive put in place by Reagan to prevent the Military from not being paid. Ah, how long has Obama been in office? Around 2 years? So his directive is fairly new? You'd think that would get a little mention from the MSM.

But the MSM is in the tank for libs.

Pete what is the name of the page you found that under. People called me crazy on the Reagan Bill. I've been called worst.

FOX News won't show it now a days even.

Originally Posted by CloseDanger

POTUS is a despicable little man. No Leader, no King would cut his army off like that in a war but little man boy Barry.

How many armies have been left behind by kings? This sort of action is not new, it just sucks that it's happening to us, today, and our wives and children will suffer.

Obama could not get us home today if we just left our posts.

Years from now, when veterans march on Washington DC to receive their promised benefits and pay, the then current administration will have the army march and break the opposing peaceful civil assembly of soldiers and families much like the US Govt. did to veterans of WWI. MacArthur lead the march.

------------BT------------

In 1924, a grateful Congress voted to give a bonus to World War I veterans - $1.25 for each day served overseas, $1.00 for each day served in the States. The catch was that payment would not be made until 1945.
Members of the Bonus Army
encamp within sight of the
Capitol, 1932
However, by 1932 the nation had slipped into the dark days of the Depression and the unemployed veterans wanted their money immediately.

In May of that year, some 15,000 veterans, many unemployed and destitute, descended on Washington, D.C. to demand immediate payment of their bonus. They proclaimed themselves the Bonus Expeditionary Force but the public dubbed them the "Bonus Army." Raising ramshackle camps at various places around the city, they waited.

The veterans made their largest camp at Anacostia Flats across the river from the Capitol. Approximately 10,000 veterans, women and children lived in the shelters built from materials dragged out of a junk pile nearby - old lumber, packing boxes and scrap tin covered with roofs of thatched straw.

Discipline in the camp was good, despite the fears of many city residents who spread unfounded "Red Scare" rumors. Streets were laid out, latrines dug, and formations held daily. Newcomers were required to register and prove they were bonafide veterans who had been honorably discharged. Their leader, Walter Waters, stated, "We're here for the duration and we're not going to starve. We're going to keep ourselves a simon-pure veteran's organization. If the Bonus is paid it will relieve to a large extent the deplorable economic condition."

June 17 was described by a local newspaper as "the tensest day in the capital since the war." The Senate was voting on the bill already passed by the House to immediately give the vets their bonus money. By dusk, 10,000 marchers crowded the Capitol grounds expectantly awaiting the outcome. Walter Waters, leader of the Bonus Expeditionary Force, appeared with bad news. The Senate had defeated the bill by a vote of 62 to 18. The crowd reacted with stunned silence. "Sing America and go back to your billets" he commanded, and they did. A silent "Death March" began in front of the Capitol and lasted until July 17, when Congress adjourned.

A month later, on July 28, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the evacuation of the veterans from all government property, Entrusted with the job, the Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two marchers killed. Learning of the shooting at lunch, President Hoover ordered the army to clear out the veterans. Infantry
Troops prepare to evacuate the
Bonus Army
July 28, 1932
and cavalry supported by six tanks were dispatched with Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur in command. Major Dwight D. Eisenhower served as his liaison with Washington police and Major George Patton led the cavalry.

By 4:45 P.M. the troops were massed on Pennsylvania Ave. below the Capitol. Thousands of Civil Service employees spilled out of work and lined the streets to watch. The veterans, assuming the military display was in their honor, cheered. Suddenly Patton's troopers turned and charged. "Shame, Shame" the spectators cried. Soldiers with fixed bayonets followed, hurling tear gas into the crowd.

By nightfall the BEF had retreated across the Anacostia River where Hoover ordered MacArthur to stop. Ignoring the command, the general led his infantry to the main camp. By early morning the 10,000 inhabitants were routed and the camp in flames. Two babies died and nearby hospitals overwhelmed with casualties. Eisenhower later wrote, "the whole scene was pitiful. The veterans were ragged, ill-fed, and felt themselves badly abused. To suddenly see the whole encampment going up in flames just added to the pity."

References:
Bartlett, John Henry, The Bonus March and the New Deal (1937); Daniels, Roger, The Bonus March; an Episode of the Great Depression (1971).

How To Cite This Article:
"The Bonus Army" EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com (2000).

[Pete]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Pete what is the name of the page you found that under. People called me crazy on the Reagan Bill. I've been called worst.

FOX News won't show it now a days even.

It was not a bill it was a directive to the (I think) OMB. Something along the lines of "you will pay the Military".

Thats why we missed all the Military SOB stories when the government was shut down under Clinton. The MSM had to focus on Park and Museum people & staff and all the poor vendors in DC who were hit hard - plus the government workers - who were going to get backpay for not working.

[longrange1947]

MtnGoat - Here is one. http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2...-military-pay/

More info here - http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2...ment-shutdown/

[Masochist]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

My mid month LES, showed up today...with half. Sounds like a bad Eddie Murphy jokeline.

Try checking it online now.

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