03-05-2005, 09:50
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Punishment for what?
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I'm assumin' that the house arrest is intended to be her part of her sentence.
This isn't a reward so it must be punishment.
I have no idea why she really went to jail, I was commenting on the final phase of her sentence.
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03-05-2005, 09:54
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Incarcerate her for what?
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Wasn't it fibbing to federal investigators or federal grand jury?
I'd thought that was what she went in for because she was found not guilty of the actual charges that the feds tried to get her on.
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03-05-2005, 09:55
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
What was she convicted of?
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I believe lksteve is correct, Obstuction of Justice. She got caught lying about receiving information. Now it serves her defense well to lie, but she got caught. Big boy rules.
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03-05-2005, 10:01
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Us country kids here couldn't afford to pay to stay even briefly at a place like Martha's. This is punishment how? She will be granted 48 hours "out" once a week as per stated terms of her release anyway.
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The loss of the freedom to go where you want and when you want can be severe punishment for a free soul. My movements are restricted and sometimes it really depresses me. Be it punishment or cabin fever restriction is a pain.
I don't think the punishment fit the crime unless all of you speeders out there think you should go to jail. Traffic violations put more people at risk every day than Martha lying to the Feds.
I think some Feds are regretting their actions in this case right now. The purpose was to make an example and it seems they came out on the short end.
She still has a very lusty laugh. I wonder if she is accepting sleep-ins. 
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03-05-2005, 10:33
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Cheating. She rec'd information the rest of us were not privy to, IIRC.
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Hmmm!! I wonder how long the line would be if all of us reported for jail.
Of course I guess the old addage applies: The only crime is in getting caucht.
As for me, I'm not throwing any stones. It's too cold to break any windows. 
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03-05-2005, 11:40
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Martha lied to the Fed Investigator who incidentally, was lying to her at the same time.
Parole is normally to insure that the person released from incarceration remains on good behavior and commits no further crimes.
What has her prosecution and incarceration accomplished?
What has it cost?
Would a larger fine have been a better punishment?
TR
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03-05-2005, 12:18
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I thought the whole Martha Stewart thing was a big waste of time and our tax payer money! What did it really accomplish? IMHO Nothing! 
As for marriages and divorces:
D-1 (After 17 years)
M-2 (Currant wife for 37 years) 
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03-05-2005, 12:25
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Would a larger fine have been a better punishment?
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something to the tune of the profits she made from her alleged insider trading?
maybe RL knows what the max fine is...i've forgotten what she could have had to pay....
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03-05-2005, 12:57
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something to the tune of the profits she made from her alleged insider trading?
maybe RL knows what the max fine is...i've forgotten what she could have had to pay....
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Not a profit but she avoided a loss.
Now, alla ya -- tell me what you would do if someone called you up and told you your stock was about to take a dive!!
Don't lie now!! 
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03-05-2005, 13:25
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Not a profit but she avoided a loss.
Now, alla ya -- tell me what you would do if someone called you up and told you your stock was about to take a dive!!
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Call Martha for advice of course!
Had she admitted to insider trading she would have been fined and forgotten.
She lied to the Feds and we can all refer to her now as "Convict" 
I'd have taken the fine, rather than earn the new title.
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03-05-2005, 13:28
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Now it serves her defense well to lie
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No it doesn't. The securities issues were defensible; it was her arrogance and dishonesty that got her put in jail.
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03-05-2005, 13:30
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something to the tune of the profits she made from her alleged insider trading?
maybe RL knows what the max fine is...i've forgotten what she could have had to pay....
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I would have to look at the sentencing guidelines, which I do not have handy. AL probably will do it for you shortly.
All I have to say is that either her lawyers are idiots or she is an idiot for trying to hide something inconsequential.
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03-05-2005, 13:30
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No it doesn't. The securities issues were defensible; it was her arrogance and dishonesty that got her put in jail.
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Got it.
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03-05-2005, 13:36
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Got it.
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The advice I have for all of you is never to lie to cops or prosecutors. If you are concerned about what the truth is, just don't say anything at all and get a lawyer. Don't make it worse for yourself by committing an additional crime.
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03-05-2005, 15:14
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The advice I have for all of you is never to lie to cops or prosecutors. If you are concerned about what the truth is, just don't say anything at all and get a lawyer. Don't make it worse for yourself by committing an additional crime.
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That's pretty good advice there counselor.
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