Airmen Spencer Stone Stabbed in a Bar

[Leozinho]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

A UK paper is reporting that police are looking for two 'Asian' males, which is English media pc newspeak for 'Muslim.'

Wonder how many foreign correspondents the Daily Mail has posted in Sacremento and how good their police contacts are?

Us getting the news from that tabloid is like being in London and reading the NY Post to find out what happened in Manchester. (I'm not sure what deal Drudge has with the Daily Mail, but there are better places to get the news.)

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Re: not being able to tell ethnicity from the surveillance video. If the police are in fact looking for Asians, isn't it possible that they have information other than just what's on the video?

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Leozinho

Wonder how many foreign correspondents the Daily Mail has posted in Sacremento and how good their police contacts are?

Us getting the news from that tabloid is like being in London and reading the NY Post to find out what happened in Manchester.

Don't know and don't care. Surprisingly, they were right. The police are looking for two Asian males. What's your point?

[Richard]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

Based on the quality of the surveillance video released to the public, I'm not sure how you can determine the ethnicity of the assailants with a high degree of confidence.

"Clearly" may have been too stong a word, but their attire and what happened is typical of the SEA community and atypical for the SWA community around here, and that area of Sacrammento is not known for a young SWA crowd as well.

If the SacPD said 'Asian' instead of 'Middle Eastern', here it is because they're talking about the area's large SEA community and they've likely got something in the descriptions given by Stone's friends who were involved in the altercation to make that claim.

I'm waiting to see what more they have on the local news in a couple of hours (1600 local).

Richard

[Leozinho]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

Don't know and don't care. Surprisingly, they were right. The police are looking for two Asian males. What's your point?

My point? You should use a better source for your news. If they got it right, it's only because they copy pasted it from the Sacramento Bee. You thought you were reading a UK newspaper when in fact you were reading Drudge click bait for a US audience. That caused you to jump to a conclusion about a Muslim connection that may not be there.

(edited earlier post to change Austin to Sacramento)

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Leozinho

My point? You should use a better source for your news. If they got it right, it's only because they copy pasted it from the Sacramento Bee. You thought you were reading a UK newspaper when in fact you were reading Drudge click bait for a US audience. That caused you to jump to a conclusion about a Muslim connection that may not be there.

Perhaps you will enlighten us and share the list of Leozinho-approved news sources. I simply posted a link to a story with information on the event and added that UK based media uses the term "Asian" to refer to Muslims. Nothing more, nothing less. It appears you are the one that jumped to a conclusion.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I don't know why it matters if SEA, SWA, or two Unidentified males.

One man was attacked on a street corner and viciously stabbed for (allegedly) unknown/unprovoked reasons at this point, and that man was recently being hailed an international hero for defeating a Moroccan lone wolf terrorist in France. Is it as a result of being intoxicated or by design that he would be less capable due to intoxication? Don't know.

Last week their was a school shooting in Roseburg, OR in which a loner type (British or American by naturalization) mixed race male targeted the school for what has been (alleged) religious reasons and an inferiority complex. A school that "coincidentally" was supposed to have another person from the French train attack begin classes that week. Perhaps that classroom- don't know.

Everything that the media could release about these two men and one more and there whereabouts have been publicly released. Only outdated by unusual events or circumstances. (Bad Intel vs. Constant Surveillance)

Islam is not a race it's a religion that has been hijacked by its followers and instigators.

The POS in Oregon and quite possibly his mother were ripe for recruiting through social media, based on their postings about guns, financial difficulties and mental deficiency. All out in the www sphere for those looking. Adam Lanza killed his mother and then himself after attacking a school, and by the end of the week we all knew when his last bowl movement was and his complete diagnosis of mental deficiency. Good or bad, we don't know much about this Oregon shooter or his mother. Been replaced by sound bites berating Republican candidates and the House Speaker.

Coordinated - conspiracy - or just really really bad timing?

Don't know - tin foil moment for sure. I'm not a conspiracy type just connect the dots and see where they lead.

Some of you would think or not, that the other half to two-thirds of Asia that is not Bhuddist, Taoist, Hindu, Confucianism or Shinto is what? Islam! So why not believe that two Asian men from SEA are responsible? Why not?

[CAARNG 68W]

Stabbing someone at a bar; lemme guess, I bet it all originated to the perp feeling that Stone was stealing some girl's attention away from him, or even jealously I bet.

Some real punk shit.

[Leozinho]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

Perhaps you will enlighten us and share the list of Leozinho-approved news sources. I simply posted a link to a story with information on the event and added that UK based media uses the term "Asian" to refer to Muslims. Nothing more, nothing less. It appears you are the one that jumped to a conclusion.

I'm not going to give you a list but I'll point it out in the future if your source is questionable. I'll also continue to point out when your confirmation bias causes you to make more logical reasoning errors.

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by Leozinho

I'm not going to give you a list but I'll point it out in the future if your source is questionable.

And what makes you an authority on the reliability of news sources? How will I ever again post the link to a news source without knowing whether or not it is on Leozinho's list of approved news sources?

Originally Posted by Leozinho

I'll also continue to point out when your confirmation bias causes you to make more logical reasoning errors.

Since I have previously posited no opinion in this thread, your claim of confirmation bias is way off the mark, Will Hunting.

According to the Sacramento Bee (Note: this news source has not been publicly approved by Leozinho), prior to the incident Spencer Stone was publicly recognized in the bar as one of the heroes that stopped a Muslim terrorist on the train in France. His assailants were not inside the bar.

So, at this point, we have been told by Sacramento Deputy Police Chief Ken Bernard that “(t)his incident is not related to terrorism in any way, and we know it’s not related to what occurred in France months ago.” We also know they are looking for two, as of yet publicly unknown, Asian assailants and a woman. How can they categorically rule out the motivations of the assailants if they don’t even know who they are? Based on the surveillance video there appeared to be more than two assailants? Why are they only looking for three persons?

Based on open source reporting of the incident to this point, it appears to me that the following two scenarios are the most likely.

1. The incident was an altercation with no nexus to terrorism that started outside the bar and resulted in Spencer Stone receiving life-threatening puncture wounds from one or two Asian males or,

2. Spencer Stone was targeted by a group of ‘Asian’ males that knew he was in the bar and ambushed him on the street once he was removed from the crowd. The assailants’ motivations are unknown or, if known, have not been publicly released.

Either way, Airman 1st Class Spencer Stone has proven that he is tough young man with a warrior spirit. How did he end up in the Air Force?

Article from the Sacramento Bee:

Sacramento hero Spencer Stone cheered by well-wishers moments before stabbing {Not Leozhino-approved}

[Richard]

Police Release Sketches of Spencer Stone Stabbing Suspects
SacBee, 17 Oct 2015

The sketches are based on interviews with witnesses and surveillance video.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...#storylink=cpy

[blacksmoke]

Airmen Stone put up a good fight before getting away. Yeah, how did he end up in the AF? Lol

[Richard]

James Tran - local punk with known gang affiliation.

Investigators have said the assault had nothing to do with the European terror plot and involved an alcohol-fueled fight between two groups in a popular nightclub district. Somers said Tran and his group did not know who Stone was until they saw news reports later.

Stone was with three women and another man when other clubgoers praised him at Badlands, a nightclub in Sacramento's Midtown district. Grainy surveillance video from outside a liquor store about an hour later shows a large man who appears to be Stone fighting a half dozen people at an intersection down the street.

The fight started as a verbal argument after one of the groups videotaped the other.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-arrested-c...214310698.html

Richard

[Richard]

James Tran held on attempted murder charge in Spencer Stone attack

Judge sets March 30 hearing date

DA plans to file new charge alleging gang ties

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...#storylink=cpy

So it goes...

Richard