How Do Civil Wars Happen?

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Dean Jarvis

It seems the Democrats and Establishment Republicans can say or do anything to POTUS in the name of "it's just politics" but at what point is what they are saying or doing subversive? I think what we are seeing, in the name of politics, has gone way beyond that and there is in fact an attempt to overthrow a duly elected President.

Dean, I think you are exactly correct and, IMHO, I think the "professional political class" is now in full panic mode (see Brennan's comments and the latest personal attacks on the Trump family by HRC). Trump is purposefully fueling the panic through his tweets. I have said before these are all a misdirection and designed to flush out the 'deep-staters'.

As the investigations continue to expand, probably through a 2nd special counsel, and investigations into the DoS, DoJ, along with the intelligence services, the panicked "professionals" could make a fatal mistake that will blow the top off of everything.

The question is, have we reached the tipping point yet? IMHO, not just yet. However, I think a critical mass with momentum may have been reached and getting to that tipping point is very, very near.

Key actors presently in the expanding field of fire include: Mueller, Weissman, Comey, McCabe, Stronk, Lynch, and HRC.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Dean, I think you are exactly correct and, IMHO, I think the "professional political class" is now in full panic mode (see Brennan's comments and the latest personal attacks on the Trump family by HRC). Trump is purposefully fueling the panic through his tweets. I have said before these are all a misdirection and designed to flush out the 'deep-staters'.

As the investigations continue to expand, probably through a 2nd special counsel, and investigations into the DoS, DoJ, along with the intelligence services, the panicked "professionals" could make a fatal mistake that will blow the top off of everything.

The question is, have we reached the tipping point yet? IMHO, not just yet. However, I think a critical mass with momentum may have been reached and getting to that tipping point is very, very near.

Key actors presently in the expanding field of fire include: Mueller, Weissman, Comey, McCabe, Stronk, Lynch, and HRC.

You forgot at least two and maybe a third that will wish this never got started. They are in order: WJC, BHO, and GWB. (Might add Linsey Graham and hopefully before he dies - John McCain - who by the way helped instigate the whole charade of the Steele dossier.)

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

You forgot at least two and maybe a third that will wish this never got started. They are in order: WJC, BHO, and GWB. (Might add Linsey Graham and hopefully before he dies - John McCain - who by the way helped instigate the whole charade of the Steele dossier.)

I'd put McCain near the top of the list for lamppost stability testing, followed closely by Graham and Flake. Then start on the Democrats who actually are members of the D party.

[FlagDayNCO]

The figureheads are always in the spotlight, but the push comes from the mid-level. They are the organizers and bundlers.

Older than any of us... "Follow The Money" and see all the organizations that finance it all, right down to your local school board and parent-teacher associations. It is best to know who in your area is involved. Plus you don't have to travel so far.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO

It is best to know who in your area is involved. Plus you don't have to travel so far.

+1 "He's makin' a list & checkin' it twice..."

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Badger52

+1 "He's makin' a list & checkin' it twice..."

The HuffPo publishes a political campaign donor map that shows the names and addresses of everyone that donates to a particular campaign. Makes it easy for you to clean up your neighborhood.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Bump-

The last few days to a week have been interesting. Appears that nothing is off-limits and once protected conversations and materials are now a public matter.

There has to be a joke in this somewhere. A wealthy businessman, a wealthy lawyer and a porn star walk into a bar...the bartender looks at the three of them and asks - “which one of you takes it up the ass best?”

Jim Comey’s ‘tell all book’ only tells one story...his!

and, SOTH Paul Ryan and 42 other Republicans and 14 Democrats are extricating themselves from the swamp willingly before they have to endure the coming controversy and unmasking of lies and hypocrisy.

Something tells me no matter what happens this fall or if we get to another presidential election this will not end well for our democracy.

The “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree” has been cut down and officially discarded!

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

You forgot at least two and maybe a third that will wish this never got started. They are in order: WJC, BHO, and GWB. (Might add Linsey Graham and hopefully before he dies - John McCain - who by the way helped instigate the whole charade of the Steele dossier.)

IMHO, the starting point is the unelected professional bureaucrats. Expose them, prosecute them, and reveal the tyranny. Then proceed to removing the elected professional political class (McCain, Flake, et al.) via the electoral process. At least that's how I see the constitutional process working.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

IMHO, the starting point is the unelected professional bureaucrats. Expose them, prosecute them, and reveal the tyranny. Then proceed to removing the elected professional political class (McCain, Flake, et al.) via the electoral process. At least that's how I see the constitutional process working.

I just hope to see them perp walked from their houses to awaiting black (helicopters) SUVs with the good guys wearing FBI emblazoned on their jackets live on CNN.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I just hope to see them perp walked from their houses to awaiting black (helicopters) SUVs with the good guys wearing FBI emblazoned on their jackets live on CNN.

I have that same vision in my head! Best thing that could happen to restore public credibility of the FBI and DoJ IMO.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

I have that same vision in my head! Best thing that could happen to restore public credibility of the FBI and DoJ IMO.

Yes, it would in fact be a good start to rebuild that credibility. While at the same time watching the MSN eat crow.

[Badger52]

We talking South American-style helicopter rides?