Bugout Loadout

[Oldrotorhead]

I'm old and slow, and the weight I could carry is a bit more limited due to health reasons. if I were to pick from the three weapons listed I would leave the G-19 and possibly add another 100 rounds of .22. The .22 can help feed you in most environments. Pigeons and tree rats at least in urban areas, more options in rural areas. I'd easily trade the G-19 for a life straw and a few protean bars.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

I'm old and slow, and the weight I could carry is a bit more limited due to health reasons. if I were to pick from the three weapons listed I would leave the G-19 and possibly add another 100 rounds of .22. The .22 can help feed you in most environments. Pigeons and tree rats at least in urban areas, more options in rural areas. I'd easily trade the G-19 for a life straw and a few protean bars.

As I also fall(no pun) into the FOG category..

If I'm walking,, my destination better be a fully stock arms room & cache..

I would hump a Ruger Charger (SBR'd) and Glock 19, w/cans. Three hi-cap mags each, plus box ammo.

Example (not mine, I would use a 4x fixed scope and interchangeable Trijicon RMR type)

[TOMAHAWK9521]

My new A/O in ID is rugged country with mountains, rivers, lakes and reservoirs, full of fish and game, but also black bears, wolves and grizzlies. Living in grizzly country is new to me so I'm still tailoring out a new load out plan for this region. As for my initial thought for firearms, long range shots with optics can be limited in heavy timber (I learned that in CO) so for a rifle I'm thinking my Marlin 45-70 lever gun with iron sights. It's relatively compact and good for all critters, 2 and 4-legged, small and grizzly-sized, for medium to close range.

Sidearms: Either HK USP .45 or Springfield XD .460 Rowland and a suppressed .22.

[Badger52]

Thanks TR for the thread. It's interesting to re-think this & see what brain cells might've shifted since the last time I gave this some thought. (Also this FOG is not hauling as much either but, forgetting weapons, the thought of needing to make deliberate movement in an E&E scenario drives quite a bit.)

A "long" gun for me would actually be a mutt AK 7.62 I have that I've had for quite awhile. Some will decry it but I've actually moved in the woods alot with this thing to the point that it's an old friend. Incredibly convenient with its DDR folding stock and a T1 clone atop its railed gas tube, birdcage flash suppressor & a collection of proven mags. The dot is small enough to do adequate honest work from field positions out to 250-300; plenty for my environs. Not for everyone but it's like a favorite pair of jeans at this point.

My G19 would go for the same "old friend' reason; 15+1 and a couple of spare G17 mags with the OEM +2 baseplate (they're not all created equal). It gets carried in a modified M7-pattern (add cross-strap, ditch belt loop) leather rig made sometime way back by El Paso Saddlery specific to that frame. It's NOT a high-speed cool pick to the gun but it comes to hand easily, carries wonderfully and, no matter what I have to drop, it's ON me.

The part I've been mulling about is simply stashing my Ruger Mk.II w/couple spare mags & some spare change rounds in the ruck, but have lately been thinking hard about swapping it & a safe queen for the Mk.III 22/45 and suppressing that. In my neck of the woods a person can feed themselves pretty good with a .22 if needed & a suppressed version is a useful hammer as well. Headed now to the search engine; someone's surely written the good/bad/ugly RE suppressors for Mk.III's.

Thanks again.

[Penn]

Goal is to reach safe site
100 miles cross country - Bug Out Location you have access to - alone - Avoiding contact would be the best plan.

GR1 Ruck with hydration system 2lbs 9 oz
3 qts water 6 lbs
Mil spec Compass 5 oz
Sea to Summit nylon poncho 8 oz
Mil poncho liner 1 lbs 4oz
30 Gator chews 30g @=900= 1 lbs 9 oz
1 blt wolf urine 12 oz
1 blt Shunk Spray 12 oz
Glock 21/14 rounds 2 lbs 5 oz
Vanguard 8x22 Binos 11.oz

Total weight 15 lbs 2 oz

[Golf1echo]

Yes, thank you for another scenario.
I'd take a light weight chest rig underneath clothing for my AR, Glock 17 w/ extra mags, and perhaps the BB/pellet gun. An IR or Thermal monocular would be handy to sort out whats ahead as I'm assuming others would be bugging out in an exodus out of this city, so on foot I would be traveling at night.

I would assume the attire of the homeless at least until I got out of the city as they travel with impunity especially at night.

[The Reaper]

IRT some of the posts thus far.

I love my .45, but I have come to the conclusion that you can get 90% of the performance and twice the round count for half the weight from the 9x19. Blasphemy, sorry!

Stealth would be key in this trip, and you have to sleep sometime. I would try laying up during the day and moving near roads (but not urban areas) at night. 100 miles in most cases will take you through at least one significant elevation change or water crossing. Get a map, compass and protractor, and think / plan ahead.

Night vision would be crucial, especially moving at night. Don’t forget the spare batteries.

Same for suppressors, especially for subsonic rounds, like .22 LR standard velocity or match loads. Not a big fan of the claimed .22 subsonic, they tend to be dirty and inaccurate. You can hunt small game quietly (or suppress noisemakers) without a suppressor by using a .22 rifle and some CB Longs. In 9x19, the 147 gr. subsonic JHP is probably the way to go if you want to run it through a suppressor. The 5.56 is going to be loud, no matter what you hang on it to reduce it's bark. The suppressor will cut the sound considerably, enable you to hear where and what other weapons are being fired, eliminate its muzzle flash, and make it much more difficult to tell what direction the rounds are coming from.

Having said that, anyone who shot my dog would be on a fast track to perdition and I would expend considerable resources to find and repay them.

Not a fan of the .22 Magnums due to ammo cost and blast, and the performance is not what most people think it will do, especially from a pistol.

There is little point in carrying boxed 5.56, as the issued aluminum mags are light enough that they barely weigh more than the boxes, and means you can swap mags and get back to shooting in seconds. No reason to carry a lot of pistol mags, if they are higher capacity, one for the weapon and two spares would seem to be enough to cover lost mags and allow you to stay in the fight. AK mags are heavy, empty or loaded and would be an exception to carrying loaded and not in strippers.

The only real issues I have with magnifying optics is the need to be able to get down to 1x for close-up engagements, and the very poor battery life with the illumination switched on, so limited utility at night. I do like the value of the Primary Arms 1-6x and 1-8x Gen 3s.

We have discussed BoB loads before, here I think you are going to have to count on mostly water and water purification, lightweight food, weather dependent shelter and clothing, first aid, and spare socks. Might be a good idea to empty the BoB seasonally (couple of times per year to check expirations and weather appropriate loadout).

A set of small binos would be a worthy addition, though you can use your magnifying optic for generally the same things.

Not a big fan of adding a shotgun, too much weight, limited utility and range, very heavy ammo. Ten rounds equals a pound, so 50 rounds equals five pounds of pain, pushing your gun and ammo load with two long guns to around 32 pounds. Not much room for anything else.

I concur with the possibility of running this with just a .22 LR pistol or rifle, but you do open yourself up to some gaps.

The AK in 7.62x39 was a temptation to me as well, but for a short duration mission and limited weight, I did not think it would make the cut. I considered the .300 Blackout for its ability to provide near .30-30 and 7.62x39 ballistics for less weight and better accuracy, AR ergonomics, and the ability to switch back and forth with super- and subsonic rounds by changing mags. For a long term foot movement, particularly in an area with big game, close engagement ranges, or large numbers of hostiles.

You do not have to select from my weapons choices, feel free to choose your own.

Just my .02, YMMV.

Let’s keep this going.

TR

[BryanK]

Good points TR. After reconsidering, I think Golf1echo's mentioning of a pellet gun is the perfect swap for the heavy/loud 870.

Originally Posted by Golf1echo

...and perhaps the BB/pellet gun.

Thanks G1e, I had forgotten about my trusty pellet gun and all the weight and sound it saves!

[Constant]

Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521

. As for my initial thought for firearms, long range shots with optics can be limited in heavy timber (I learned that in CO) so for a rifle I'm thinking my Marlin 45-70 lever gun with iron sights. .

I own a Marlin 45-70, use 300 grain and 405 grain in it for elk, deer and bear. Ammo is heavy, and the drop after 100 yards is quite significant. If I were bugging out, it wouldn't be my first choice. However, your 100 miles is different then mine. I just left Japan, I'm in the Midwest now. Heading to Europe for my next assignment. If the balloon went up tonight, I'm already at my BOL. When I'm in Europe, well, crap.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Originally Posted by Constant

I own a Marlin 45-70, use 300 grain and 405 grain in it for elk, deer and bear. Ammo is heavy, and the drop after 100 yards is quite significant. If I were bugging out, it wouldn't be my first choice. However, your 100 miles is different then mine. I just left Japan, I'm in the Midwest now. Heading to Europe for my next assignment. If the balloon went up tonight, I'm already at my BOL. When I'm in Europe, well, crap.

My choice did seem counterintuitive but I was thinking of a previous black bear encounter I had as well as most of the documented grizzly encounters and they tend to occur in close proximities and I'd rather stop Yogi's attack instead of just pissing him off.

All that being said, with my current location, I'm better off staying right where I'm at and putting out the near/far recognition signal to other QP's looking for a place to hold up. The only threat that would encourage me to move is if the Yellowstone Caldera "Super Volcano" kicked off. :roll eyes: And if that happened, you couldn't move fast enough.

[mikec71]

MK18 Rifle
T-1/Larue Sight
Knight’s Armament QDSS NT4suppressor
Surefire ight
7 Mags of Mk 272 Ammo

Sig 229R with Surefire Light (could be used on rifle also)
Trijicon Night sights
OWB holster TBD
4 x 15 round mags of 147 Rangers
extra 229 40 Cal barrel (Lots of extra ammo out there)

Ruger 22/45 or 10/22 Takedown (Still weighing options)

Takedown would fit good in a backpack
Suppressed
4-5 Magazines of quality ammo
Low power scope or an optic I could use on rifle and pistol

PVS 14 (Uses same batteries as SF Lights)
Small Steiner Binos

3 day pack with:
Contractor garbage bags
550 cord
First aide kit
Poncho
Liner
Socks
High energy food, protein bars, jerky
E&E Kit with fishing supplies
solar recharger for batteries

I have been doing a lot of research on using police scanners (Digital & Analog) to monitor local PD, FD and Local Government radio. I can also get State Police, National Guard Aviation & Ground and all types of other broadcasts. I can be better informed listening directly from the source than any news broadcast. If you listen you can learn a lot (Just like on here). Not much weight but lots of intel, and even entertainment.


Maps, Compass, Protractor, Google Maps photos, As much intel as I can take to help navigate. Make it easy to find locations. Show roads, buildings, farms, forests, airports, highways, industrial areas, uninformed routes of travel