05-17-2015, 17:54
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Desecration of the US Flag
We need to push to bring this law back:
5-51-207. Contempt for or desecration of the United States flag.
(a) (1) Any person who knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisoned for not more than one (1) year, or both.
(2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.
(b) As used in this section, "flag of the United States" means any flag of the United States, or any part of a flag of the United States, made of any substance, or any size, in a form that is commonly displayed.
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05-17-2015, 19:06
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I agree and it irks me but America will never again be the country that our fathers grew up in.
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05-17-2015, 19:10
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and we should behead anyone who draws a caricature of it too!
Oh, wait a minute... 
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05-17-2015, 19:56
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and we should behead anyone who draws a caricature of it too!
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Bingo......
It's free speech.....leave it alone.
And remember only a coward would throw it to the ground and walk on it, and after that it no longer represents the honorable men and women that fought and bled for it. (That's how I see it anyway)
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05-18-2015, 04:40
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Take a picture of the people doing it! Remember she who will not be named posed for some great pics and will never be able to esplain that one away. Nor will these folks.
Free speech works both ways.
Free speech for us to identify the people doing it and put them in the hall of shame!
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05-18-2015, 16:02
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Originally Posted by miclo18d
Take a picture of the people doing it! Remember she who will not be named posed for some great pics and will never be able to esplain that one away. Nor will these folks.
Free speech works both ways.
Free speech for us to identify the people doing it and put them in the hall of shame!
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Start revoking food stamps and welfare from all who participate. Sit back and watch how quickly they stop.
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05-18-2015, 08:05
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I agree and it irks me but America will never again be the country that our fathers grew up in.
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Ah yes, "the good old days"! IMO (old enough to be your dad), they weren't as good as you believe they were.
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05-18-2015, 08:16
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It would take a constitutional ammendment, as Texas v. Johnson has already granted it protected speech status.
That said, I disagree with banning it.
I think that one of the consequences of living in a free society is that from time to time, people will do things that offend the sensibilities of the majority of people. Fred Phelps comes to mind. So does Larry Flynt's satire of Jerry Falwell. That these actions are offensive, in my opinion, is not sufficient enough reason to ban them from the public discourse.
Vigilante justice never hurt anyone, though.
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05-18-2015, 08:31
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Ah yes, "the good old days"! IMO (old enough to be your dad), they weren't as good as you believe they were. |
Gee Dad, why not?
There was a chicken in every pot, a car in every driveway and a communist under every bed. I mean, what's not to like? 
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05-18-2015, 10:07
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Ah yes, "the good old days"! IMO (old enough to be your dad), they weren't as good as you believe they were. |
I disagree. (You could be my older brother.  )
Pat
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05-18-2015, 06:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alelks
We need to push to bring this law back:
5-51-207. Contempt for or desecration of the United States flag.
(a) (1) Any person who knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisoned for not more than one (1) year, or both.
(2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.
(b) As used in this section, "flag of the United States" means any flag of the United States, or any part of a flag of the United States, made of any substance, or any size, in a form that is commonly displayed.
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If that were the law, how would you respond to all the soldiers or others who have signed US flags as souvenirs of their service and such, and either sent them to family, friends, vet group sponsors, schools, museums, etc? 
This is what the SCOTUS said of it in the Johnson v Texas decision.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...svjohnson.html
You can either listen to or read the transcript of the oral argument here - it is very interesting to review and consider.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1989/1988/1988_88_155
I personally know the Dallas attorney who argued the case before the SCOTUS - Kathy Drew. Her son graduated from my school, and she came in annually to give a presentation to our seniors during their Government class. Her views on the issue were changed after her appearance before the SCOTUS.
FWIW - I side with the majority decision of the SCOTUS on this one, too.
Richard
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