04-03-2012, 08:55
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Mencken
Mencken - when you open that book you can never be sure which rabbit hole you wander in.
No matter what - Nietzche will be somewhere close.
Mencken? Mencken? Oh, yea, the Monkey Trail.
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04-03-2012, 08:59
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Originally Posted by Pete
Mencken - when you open that book you can never be sure which rabbit hole you wander in.
No matter what - Nietzche will be somewhere close.
Mencken? Mencken? Oh, yea, the Monkey Trail.
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Reading Neitzche and Mencken, if it doesn't kill you with boredom, will only make you stronger in your conviction that both are full of shit.
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04-03-2012, 09:04
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LMAO the Dustmiester is on a roll.
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04-03-2012, 09:15
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Mencken
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Originally Posted by Dusty
Reading Neitzche and Mencken, if it doesn't kill you with boredom, will only make you stronger in your conviction that both are full of shit. 
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When reading Mencken it pays to know which hat he was wearing at the time he was doing that particular piece.
He was a man of many hats.
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04-03-2012, 09:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
When reading Mencken it pays to know which hat he was wearing at the time he was doing that particular piece.
He was a man of many hats.
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Not to mention an elitist... which is I find it ironic from someone who earlier stated he believes in a bottom-up perspective v. top-down where the few speak for the many...
What Richard says..........
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04-03-2012, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Dusty
It's abstract and obscure enough to ostensibly impress weak-minded, easily-impressed pseudo-eggheads, rendering relevance immaterial.
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Historian: an unsuccessful novelist.
---Mencken
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04-03-2012, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Stargazer
How does the H.L. Mencken quote apply to the current conversation? Seems out of context to me.
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Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood. --H.L. Mencken
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04-03-2012, 12:43
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Buzzkill...
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04-03-2012, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Stargazer
How does the H.L. Mencken quote apply to the current conversation? Seems out of context to me.
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Originally Posted by Stargazer
Not to mention an elitist... which is I find it ironic from someone who earlier stated he believes in a bottom-up perspective v. top-down where the few speak for the many...
What Richard says.......... 
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@Stargazer.
In his post, steel71 offers a skeptical take on contemporary journalism and the "BS" their writings inspire. Concurrently, steel71 offers an historical observation about the motivation of the CSA by a journalist in his signature line.
However, if one does a little digging, it becomes clear that Mencken's observation is not sustainable. According to data in the 1860 census, tabulated here, the eleven states that would comprise the confederacy had a population of 9.1 million. Of that number, roughly 5.4 million were white. If one were to project that 51% of the 5.4 million were men, that would give you 2.8 million or about 31% of the total population.*
If one assumes that every white male in the confederate states supported the cause wholeheartedly and without reservation, the fact that the CSA's constitution made no provision for white women to vote, made more explicit the 3/5ths clause of the U.S. constitution, and established slavery as a permanent feature of everyday life, how can one reasonably make the argument that the CSA fought for self determination?**
So the irony is that while a member of this BB is criticizing the uncritical acceptance of journalistic accounts, he is accepting uncritically a journalistic account of American history.
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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu
Historian: an unsuccessful novelist.
---Mencken

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]f you share Mencken's view of historians, then why are you reading Foote and why did you read McPherson << LINK>>?
Or are you making an attempt to be funny? In which case, my reply is:
What I really want to do is direct.
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* The 51% comes from the overall percentage of men in the 1860 census. See U.S. Census Bureau's Historical Statistics of the United States, 1789-1945 (1949), p. 25. This publication is available here.
** The CSA constitution is available here.
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04-03-2012, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Sigaba
@Stargazer.
In his post, steel71 offers a skeptical take on contemporary journalism and the "BS" their writings inspire. Concurrently, steel71 offers an historical observation about the motivation of the CSA by a journalist in his signature line.
However, if one does a little digging, it becomes clear that Mencken's observation is not sustainable. According to data in the 1860 census, tabulated here, the eleven states that would comprise the confederacy had a population of 9.1 million. Of that number, roughly 5.4 million were white. If one were to project that 51% of the 5.4 million were men, that would give you 2.8 million or about 31% of the total population.*
If one assumes that every white male in the confederate states supported the cause wholeheartedly and without reservation, the fact that the CSA's constitution made no provision for white women to vote, made more explicit the 3/5ths clause of the U.S. constitution, and established slavery as a permanent feature of everyday life, how can one reasonably make the argument that the CSA fought for self determination?**
So the irony is that while a member of this BB is criticizing the uncritical acceptance of journalistic accounts, he is accepting uncritically a journalistic account of American history.
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Ok Sigiba -- I missed that the 'quote' was from his signature line and not one that you were inserting.
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04-04-2012, 15:28
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I'm tired of this thread, too-but...
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04-04-2012, 16:00
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Perfect:
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In 2010 race-related beating case, George Zimmerman pushed to discipline same officers who investigated Trayvon Martin shooting
Published: 1:06 AM 04/04/2012
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller
In late 2010 and early 2011 George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Sanford, Fla., man who shot and killed 17-year-old black teen Trayvon Martin, publicly demanded discipline in a race-related beating case for at least two of the police officers who cleared him after the Feb. 26 altercation, according to records obtained by The Daily Caller.
In a letter to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, a member of the Zimmerman family wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white.
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On Dec. 4, 2010, Justin Collison, the son of Sanford Police Department Lt. Chris Collison, was involved in a bar fight at The Wet Spot bar in Sanford. During the fight, which moved from indoors to outdoors, the younger Collison struck Ware.
Ware suffered a concussion, and paramedics took him to the hospital shortly after police arrived on the scene. Collison was not arrested or charged, even though an onlooker had video evidence of his actions.
No arrest was made and no action taken for weeks. Documents and emails now show police officers and officials from the office of the State Attorney operated with extreme caution because Collison’s father was a high-ranking law enforcement officer.
In the final days of 2010, an Orlando television station aired the video footage of Justin Collison beating Ware. Collison turned himself in six days later, on Jan. 3, 2011.
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After Justin Collison surrendered himself to authorities, the Sanford Police Department struggled to hold its officials accountable. A lengthy investigation conducted by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office concluded that the police officials involved did not offer Justin Collison “preferential treatment.”
Still, according to members of the Zimmerman family, George printed and distributed copies of fliers on bright fluorescent-colored paper demanding that the community “hold accountable” officers responsible for any misconduct.
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Every Sunday, according to his family, Zimmerman would stroll through Sanford’s black neighborhoods handing out the fliers demanding justice for Sherman Ware, and calling for the police to hold their own officials accountable. Zimmerman would also place the fliers on people’s cars outside churches.
“I challenge you to stand together and to have our voices heard, and to hold accountable all of those officers, and officials whom let this atrocious attack pass unpunished until the media revealed it,” one of the fliers reads in part. “This animal could have attacked anyone of us, our children or loved ones in his alcohol fueled rage.”
The officers whom Zimmerman targeted for accountability in the Sherman Ware incident were all cleared by the Seminole County Sheriff’s investigation, despite Zimmerman’s repeated accusations that police gave kid-glove treatment to a white officer’s son who beat a defenseless, homeless black man.
But 14 months later, at least two of the same officers investigated the shooting death of Trayvon Martin — and cleared Zimmerman — even though his voice was the loudest calling for their punishment in the Ware case.
One of those officers was Timothy Smith. According to a police incident report from the scene of the Feb. 26 shooting, Officer Smith handcuffed Zimmerman and transported him to the police station. Another was Sergeant Anthony Raimondo, who was on scene with Smith and other local officers.
Full story: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zi...rtin-shooting/
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04-05-2012, 06:14
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Damn! How the hell did she get Huggy-Bear's hat? Someone call Starsky or Hutch!
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04-05-2012, 06:19
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Originally Posted by panama jack
QP Dusty, you guys were having so much fun I had to resist the tempation to "drink the Kool-aid" as so may of you did; it was quite an interesting experience, and potentially learned too.
Maybe next time. Zimmermans "tired cowardly" Azz is still free, and the FIRST SANFORD LEO to sit down and have Tea and crumpets wit the DOJ, gets immunity. Go figure - duh..
AND,the beat goes on!!!!
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One of these days, if I can figure out what the f.ck you're talking about, I'll reply to your point(s).
Not in the morning, though. Either you're on the other side of the world or work second shift, because from your posts, you always sound like you've got a half box of box wine in you.
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