Anybody know these guys?

[Soldier4Life]

Most soldiers and commanders who served in the Army between 1990 – 1997 and read Paraglide, Army Trainer, Soldiers and Military Police magazines, have heard of then SSG Leonard Holifield. As I remember, Holifield was instrumental submitting changes to FM 21-150 (Combatives) and in revitalizing hand-to-hand combat Armywide. I remember him from when I was stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, where he was the Chief Combatives Instructor for the FATC. This guy was a monster and he had to be legit, for the Sergeant Major of the Army – SMA Richard Kidd to come to Ft. Sill to meet with him personally to discuss military combatives training. Hope his character isn’t being attacked here, this guy was the real deal!

[Sacamuelas]

Originally Posted by Soldier4Life

Most soldiers and commanders who served in the Army between 1990 – 1997 and read Paraglide, Army Trainer, Soldiers and Military Police magazines, have heard of then SSG Leonard Holifield. As I remember, Holifield was instrumental submitting changes to FM 21-150 (Combatives) and in revitalizing hand-to-hand combat Armywide. I remember him from when I was stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, where he was the Chief Combatives Instructor for the FATC. This guy was a monster and he had to be legit, for the Sergeant Major of the Army – SMA Richard Kidd to come to Ft. Sill to meet with him personally to discuss military combatives training. Hope his character isn’t being attacked here, this guy was the real deal!

S4Life-
Not a good start. No profile information and no introduction posted in the proper thread. Don't expect much validity to be given to your opinion(s) until you follow intro procedures and provide some basis in your profile for having such an opinion.

Just a FYI concerning this site if you want to be taken seriously.

[Sacamuelas]

Originally Posted by Sacamuelas

S4Life-
Not a good start.

HAHA ! When will they learn.....

The first Iraqi POWs of the Gulf War, was an entire Iraqi battalion surrendering to the US Marines, hands held high, looking for a meal.

We had a few Navy, Airforce pilots listed as MIA and POW early in the game, most if not all were relased early March 1991.

[uplink5]

Originally Posted by wet dog

The first Iraqi POWs of the Gulf War, was an entire Iraqi battalion surrendering to the US Marines, hands held high, looking for a meal.

One of the guys in my company captured two Iraqis while he was taking a dump. He thought he was alone and when he finished, he turned around and behold; two Iraqis, with hands in the air, facing in the opposite direction with weapons on the ground until he was done taking a dump. They were starving and eaten up with parasites.

Point is, most Iraqi POWs were not so much "captured", as much as they had surrendered. The good professor was highly decorated for what?

Of course though, we also had a Motor SGT who wrote himself up for a Bronze Star, and had the Chaplin sign it. He was the convoy commander during 3d GRPs mad dash to the Kuwaiti Airport, without incidence.

Anything is possible I guess....jd

[Don]

I remember reading an article about Holifield in the paraglide back in '92 about his heroic actions. Apparently he "judy chopped" some Iraqis.

Found this vid on the technique...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j1-xQA_ufE

Rumor has it the parasite-ridden, half starved Iraqis put up a good fight, but ultimately succombed to his martial arts mastery and were taken captive.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier4Life

Most soldiers and commanders who served in the Army between 1990 – 1997 and read Paraglide, Army Trainer, Soldiers and Military Police magazines, have heard of then SSG Leonard Holifield. As I remember, Holifield was instrumental submitting changes to FM 21-150 (Combatives) and in revitalizing hand-to-hand combat Armywide. I remember him from when I was stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, where he was the Chief Combatives Instructor for the FATC. This guy was a monster and he had to be legit, for the Sergeant Major of the Army – SMA Richard Kidd to come to Ft. Sill to meet with him personally to discuss military combatives training. Hope his character isn’t being attacked here, this guy was the real deal!

And who are you, to be vouching for someone else?

Have you read the rules? You have not complied if you have.

Please do so before posting again.

TR

[rdret1]

Is this the same Kelly Worden with all of these videos and stuff on Paladin Press? Kinda looks like him.

http://www.paladin-press.com/categor...d=kelly+worden

[blue02hd]

Originally Posted by Soldier4Life

Most soldiers and commanders who served in the Army between 1990 – 1997 and read Paraglide, Army Trainer, Soldiers and Military Police magazines, have heard of then SSG Leonard Holifield. As I remember, Holifield was instrumental submitting changes to FM 21-150 (Combatives) and in revitalizing hand-to-hand combat Armywide. I remember him from when I was stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, where he was the Chief Combatives Instructor for the FATC. This guy was a monster and he had to be legit, for the Sergeant Major of the Army – SMA Richard Kidd to come to Ft. Sill to meet with him personally to discuss military combatives training. Hope his character isn’t being attacked here, this guy was the real deal!

1. Never heard of him.

2. Don't care.

3. Who are you?

4. Sounds like you are trying to sell snow to Eskimos.

5. If your claims are true then can you please link some of these articles so I can read about a "real deal" soldier? I've always heard of guys like him, and it would rest my soul knowing that this hero is not just a marketing gimmick. Invite him to the boards as well,,,,

6. Oh, and the character now being attacked is yours.

[CSB]

The individual under screenname Soldier4Life PM'd me out of the blue with the above paragraph yesterday. I sent him the following reply, again by PM.

Look's like he can't read, can't follow simple instructions, starting with "Follow the stickies and post a profile and an introduction."

I hear the sound of black rotor blades approaching.

Step One - Follow the stickies and post a profile and an introduction.

Step Two - Notice the date of the thread containing the name Leonard Holifield. The thread started in September 2008 and was last posted in May 2009. Old news.

Step Three - After following Step One, if you feel you have accurate information to provide to the net on Leonard Holifield, feel free to do so. But based on past experience (and you might want to look at some Hall of Shame and POW Net sites first), the following do not qualify as accurate information:

1 - Mere publication in a magazine or newspaper.

2 - "... had to be legit ..." because he/she is associated with a person of rank.

3 - Anything self-declared by the subject.

Instead, post a scanned DD Form 214, DA Form 2 and 2-1, military orders, diplomas, etc. or refer to objectively verifiable sources of information (i.e., Ranger Class Number, Airborne Class Number, Special Forces Class Number, etc.), units of assignments with inclusive dates.

For example, "Professor" Holifield claims five assignments in 1993 alone:

782D MSB, Fort Bragg, NC. 1993

17th Calvary Air Recon, Simmons Airforce Base, Fort Bragg, NC. 1993 (* I suspect the fellow means Simmons Army Airfield, the Air Force Base at Ft. Bragg is Pope Air Force Base).

E-Company, 702D MSB, Unit 15412, Fort Bragg, NC. 1993

A-Company, 2nd Engineer Bn, Unit 15043, Fort Bragg, NC. 1993

3rd Republic of Korea Liaison, U.S. Airforce Command, Koera 1993 (For a Professor, his spelling leaves a little to be desired. It's Korea, not Koera).

For those paying attention, that's five assignments within one year, less than three months each. Just what kind of soldier has five assignments in one year?

He claims to have enlisted in April 1987. Probably true. But if he claims to be "instrumental" in the revision of FM 21-150 (which, by the way, is entitled "Combatives," not "Combat"), a revision that could only have been the 30 September 1992 edition [since the previous edition was dated 30 SEP 1971 and the succesor edition -- renumbered as FM 3-25.150 -- is dated 18 January 2002]. Yet for someone who is alleged to have been "instrumental" in the revision, he never claims assignment at the United States Army Infantry Center, Ft. Benning, GA who is the proponent of that publication. And young Mr. Holifield would have had at the very most four years of active duty when the 30 SEP 1992 revision of FM 21-150 was finalized, staffed, and approved for publication.

Finally, while Army schools are not necessary for a man to be a close quarters combat expert, you should remember that this is a web site for Professional Soldiers. For a Staff Sergeant to hold himself out as a military expert in combatives, we would expect to see such additional training, experience and qualifications such as Airborne (especially since he claims he was assigned to "2nd Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, Fort Bragg, NC." in 1992). Or Ranger, or Sapper, or Special Forces, or S.E.R.E., or ...

[rdret1]

Some info on Prof. Holifield

http://www.maotw.com/gmg/s/sikaronkarate.html

http://www.esi-lifeforce.com/about-u...holifield.html

A "Top Gun" demo http://www.martialfighter.com/techni...d-to-hand-demo

Selling a book on Paladin Press http://www.paladin-press.com/categor...nard+holifield

[blue02hd]

So far all I see is the continuance of a career based off of fraudulent claims and bogus credentials. The MartialFighter.com bio suggests he was the US Army's Chief Combatives instructor from 1987 to 1997. Is he smoking crack?

Is there an unspecified belief that once you leave the service any and all such claims provided from that point forward on cannot be disputed?

Oh, btw. Thanks SOLDIER4LIFE for bringing this miserable thread back to life. If I were a betting man, I'd say you served from 1987 to 1997,,,,

Betchya a Blue Moon!

[CSB]

Well, let's see what Professor Leonard Cleve Holifield's biography at the "Lifeforce" web site has to say about him:

Prof. Leonard Holifield has over 35 years of martial arts experience and is President and Founder of (I.A.E.P.S.D.T).

Well, since Leonard Cleve Holifield was born in January 1960, and is now 50 years old, he must have begun his "martial arts experience" at age 15.

During his military career he served as Chief Combat Instructor to the United States Army from 1987 to 1997 and was instrumental in rewriting the army's manual on Combat (FM 21-150).

See my post above, everything from "Combat" vs. "Combatives" to "Chief Combat Instructor" (a position that simply does not exist), in addition to the timeline, is bogus.

A highly decorated veteran of the Gulf War, he was credited with capturing the first Iraqi POW during Operation Desert Storm.

Since DS/DS spanned the period from August 1990 until Feb 1991, he must have taken care of business and then made a rapid trip over to the sandbox just in time to get "highly decorated," since in October 8, 1990 and again on November 15, 1990 while living at Kizer Drive in Fayetteville he was busy being convicted of three counts of misdemeanor worthless checks.

I could go on, but that is enough.

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So again, to "Soldier4Life" let's see the DD Form 214, etc.

Or you and "Professor Doctor Staff Sergeant Holifield" can just melt away.

[Richard]

A highly decorated veteran of the Gulf War, he was credited with capturing the first Iraqi POW during Operation Desert Storm.

Credited by whom? Perhaps by William G. Hillar, COL NOT (Retired) NOT , SF NOT in one of his not-so-much-now sought after courses.

Amazing how the 'Professor' keeps adding on to his biographical manure pile.

Richard