Hello Muslims

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by olhamada

TRock, you're taking my statement WAY out of context. In context, I was saying that if we just go in and exterminate them all from China to the Ivory Coast, as was suggested, then what does make or cause just and their's unjust - because we'd be no better than them.

If we all played by the same rule book that would be an easy answer, but we don't. If Johnny JiHadi were to come playing in my neighborhood and there is a choice between my families safety versus 'Being Better' than Johnny JiHadi (or any other POS) and Up Holding our Moral Values....then it me or them and you can throw all that PC BS out the window.

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by Paslode

If we all played by the same rule book that would be an easy answer, but we don't. If Johnny JiHadi were to come playing in my neighborhood and there is a choice between my families safety versus 'Being Better' than Johnny JiHadi (or any other POS) and Up Holding our Moral Values....then it me or them and you can throw all that PC BS out the window.

Agreed.

But look guys, the issue here is not whether or not we need to use force to stop Islam. The ONLY way to stop them is with force - and lots of it.

The point I am making is that complete and total annihilation of 1/4 of the world's population - as is being advocated on this thread - is not the way to go about it.

I know exactly what Muslims are, and how they think. I am not trying to be PC - I can't stand folks who are. It sickens me. I am trying to defeat this enemy, preserve our nation, protect my family, while at the same time, not becoming like them, or Hitler, or Idi Amin, or Pol Pot.

You can't honestly say that you believe extermination is the answer, can you?

[Warrior-Mentor]

The thing is...as they believe it...allah doesn't lose wars...once enough battles are lost, it causes a not only a crisis in confidence, it causes a crisis in faith. Clearly allah doesn't lose, so they must be on the wrong track if they are getting their ass kicked.

Remember, this goes back to the fundamental concept that that part of the world respects strength....and might does make right.

In an undiplomatic oversimplification, a good ass kicking will change a lot of attitudes.

Which is why Obama's apology tour is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do...

[Richard]

MOO - but feeding 'The Narrative' with such publicly posited ideological hyperbole - a neo-Protocols of he Learned Elders of Zion concept - is wholly counterproductive to our strategic goals and only furthers the cause of our enemies.

YMMV - but IMO we are the good guys here - and we should act like it.

Richard's $.02

[Warrior-Mentor]

Richard - What are your thoughts on the rapid end of the War in the Pacific and President Truman's decision?

AUDIO:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._hiroshima.ogg

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

The thing is...as they believe it...allah doesn't lose wars...once enough battles are lost, it causes a not only a crisis in confidence, it causes a crisis in faith. Clearly allah doesn't lose, so they must be on the wrong track if they are getting their ass kicked.

Remember, this goes back to the fundamental concept that that part of the world respects strength....and might does make right.

In an undiplomatic oversimplification, a good ass kicking will change a lot of attitudes.

Which is why Obama's apology tour is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do...

Self-preservation instinct is pretty strong in most people.

What was Reagan's response to Libya's mischief?
How did Muammar Gaddafi behave after that?

[Richard]

It was what it was - are you inferring that we should now nuke the Islamic world to attempt a rapid end to the GWOT?

Richard

Originally Posted by olhamada

Again, I'm right there with you when it comes to Islam and their culture of death and domination, BUT genocide and the extermination of 1.5 Billion people as you are advocating is not the answer.

Please don't go off on a couple of words, but read the whole post. The sentence was, "If we take this approach (ie - extermination of 1.5 Billion), what makes us any different than them?".

If I am only to focus on 1 sentence, then please stop at 1 sentence. You said a lot more than 1 sentence and quite literally all of it was based on "I think that.." and "I believe that..." and "I feel that..." Muslim extremists do not give a rat's ass what you believe, think, or feel. They would just as soon cut your head off with a pocket knife and drag you through the streets on CNN as they would to spit in your face.

If there is another way, which would seem logical, then by all means I would (will) advocate it. There is, however, no alternative so long as their OPENLY AND CLEARLY STATED GOAL IS THE COMPLETE ANNIHILATION OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

So once again I tell you that the answer to the question you keep asking is right in front of you. I already answered it. It is a question of the same means to a different end.

muslims seek to kill every last person on earth who refuses to follow islam.

vs.

Protection of our way of life via eliminating a very real and aggressive threat to our livelihood.

Stop worrying about asking your question repeatedly and look at the answer. It isn't hard to see if you stop listening to MSM. Take your ass to the 'Stan and live with them for 3 years then come tell us what you "think" we should do.

Look at it this way: A bad man moves in on your street and says he is going to murder everyone on the street as soon as he is able. He murders a few people here and there and gets away with it because he says they deserved it for keeping him and his kind down. He openly states that he is going to kill some more on your street and that you and your family are on his list. Are you going to sit and parrot that crap he is spewing about it not being his fault or are you going to load up the 12 gauge and make a pre-emptive strike to protect your family against the inevitable?

I'm not going to wait until he catches me with my guard down...

1 last time: They will blow themselves up just to kill you. They do not value human life in the same way that we do. You cannot apply any amount of political, financial, or any other kind of pressure to stop them. They will stop when they are dead, whether that is via them splattering themselves all over you and your family at Walmart or via them getting splattered via JDAMS.

Sit and deny it is coming and sooner or later you'll get blowed the f*** up right in the middle of singing We are the World.

Pardon me for not singing along. I know those people. It's obvious you do not. You cannot apply our cultural common sense to them. It doesn't work. They just want to blow you up, and all the money, hugs & kisses, plastic flip-flops, yellow MREs, and shiny trinkets you can give them will NEVER change that.

I am not saying mass genocide is the best way. I'm saying it is the only way. THEY made the rules, not us, and if we play by THEIR rules, then there is absolutely no other option.

These are their rules, not ours, and until we learn those rules and begin playing by them too, we will be in terrible danger.

[Warrior-Mentor]

I have inferred nothing. It appears as if you have inferred that.

in·fer (n-fûr)
v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers
v.tr.
1. To conclude from evidence or premises.
2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: "Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor" (Academy).
4. To hint; imply.
v.intr.
To draw inferences.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by olhamada

Incidently, if you believe in a sovereign God who knows, sees, and has control over all, have you ever wondered why He allowed Islam to be such a powerful force in our world?

I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."
Genesis 12:3

'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
Matthew 25:40

I believe in such a sovereign God -- who made a promise manifested through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
I believe the promise made in Genesis 12:3 was in reference to Israel.
I believe the Jews were the brothers of Christ, and they are the ones referenced in Matthew 25:40.

I believe it is a test of faith.
I believe it will be centered around Israel and Jerusalem.
I believe the Almighty will leave no middle ground, you will be forced to choose.


My beliefs make me a target in the eyes of many muslims.
I will not submit to their demands or rule, even upon pain of death.
This is my stand, the rest will be sorted out by the Almighty.

[Warrior-Mentor]

I used to believe that "We all worship the same God at the Wholesale level, we just disagree on the retail level."

Not so.

My old boss, who I respect very much, tried to give me a religious explanation.
I didn't get it until I started reading about the differences in the religions....specifically look at islamic eschatology.

Why?

Goes back to know your enemy and how they think and why. Belief in the end of days is a requirement in islam. Remember Sadr's "Mahdi Army"? His boys believed they were the ones to bring about the chaos necessary before the return of the mahdi and the end of days.

Check out "the Islamic Anti-Christ" by Joel Richardson. It compares islamic, jewish and christian doctrinal eschatology. You'll find that the "islamic jesus" is VERY different from the Christian Jesus.

Interesting stuff.

Wishing the problem away doesn't make it go away...it just makes you a subscriber to the Ostrich Strategy....and you're SF, so I know that's not the case.

Get yourself a present:
http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Antich...0071873&sr=8-1

Knowing is half the battle.

Digressing...

- Illiterate
- Thief
- Liar
- Polygamist
- Pedophile
- Anti-Semite Racist
- Terrorist
- Mass Murderer

Are those the characteristics of someone God would send to deliver his message?

Of course not.

Before Moo-Ham-Head invented islam to serve his personal needs and massive ego, the polytheists had a different god for every day of the year. Moo-ham-head's favorite was the masculine moon-god - who had many names, one of them was allah.

Christianity equates Satan by the name the Prince of Darkness. Coincidence?

I'm not a subscriber in the end-of-days, but there are millions of people, both muslims and non-muslims, who are...and it's important to understand what motivates them and makes them tick.

I'm-a-nut-job (President of Iran) said himself that he believes in the 12th imam. Do you know why that's significant? Shiite eschatology will tell you...and when you add that with his desire for a nuke, you start reaching scary conclusions...

Ignore it at your own risk Brothers...there's a bunch of wackos who believe this shit...like it or not.

Oriana Fallaci said it well:
"In life and history there are moments when fear is not permitted.
Moments when fear is immoral and uncivilized."
"There are moments when keeping silent becomes a fault,
and speaking an obligation. A civic duty, a moral challenge,
a categorical imperative from which we cannot escape."

I'm not telling you that you need to speak - yet. Right now, I'm telling you that you owe it to your oath to "protect and defend against ALL enemies foreign and domestic..." to KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

Read it, learn it, and if I'm soup - let me know.

See you on the high ground!

[Richard]

I have inferred nothing. It appears as if you have inferred that.

in·fer (n-fûr)
v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers
v.tr.
1. To conclude from evidence or premises.
2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable.
3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: "Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor" (Academy).
4. To hint; imply.
v.intr.
To draw inferences.

Your disingenuous response to my question - sadly - says it all.

Richard
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BT

[T-Rock]

I have a hard time believing Mohammed was intelligent enough to put us into this pickle - whatever happens, it appears some sort of stage is being set - mine eyes are focused on Israel - I'm-a-nut-job will eventually speak Hebrew

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

If we all played by the same rule book that would be an easy answer, but we don't. If Johnny JiHadi were to come playing in my neighborhood and there is a choice between my families safety versus 'Being Better' than Johnny JiHadi (or any other POS) and Up Holding our Moral Values....then it me or them and you can throw all that PC BS out the window.

With respect, I'd like to raise a small point that is meant as an observation, not a criticism.

Your willingness to set aside your moral values in the defense of your neighborhood and your family creates a tension when juxtaposed with the quotation of Theodore Roosevelt in your signature.

"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price,
peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of
soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life."
T Roosevelt

This tension is two-fold. First, Roosevelt considered morality inseparable from America's overall well-being.* Consequently, he took great political risks in his efforts to strengthen the moral fabric of America--not the least of which was bolting the GOP to form the Progressive party in 1912.

Second, in his day, there were well-established beliefs that provided "an easy answer" to many of the problems of his age--including the growing tension between America and other parts of the world. Nevertheless, throughout his adult life, Roosevelt refused to settle for an "easy answer" and sought instead sophisticated solutions for complex problems.

While historians and biographers who have studied his life differ on how earnest or successful Roosevelt was on addressing these problems, IMO the evidence strongly suggests that he consistently gave it his best effort even when it cost him socially and personally.

It is my most profound hope that prior to deciding to yield a 'big stick' against the Islamic world, that we as a nation draw from President Roosevelt's example.

YMMV

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* This point is developed in Kathleen Dalton, Theodore Roosevelt: A Strenuous Life (ISBN-13 9780679446637), pp. 300-319.

[olhamada]

Originally Posted by rltipton

I am not saying mass genocide is the best way. I'm saying it is the only way.

I guess that says it all.