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Old 12-27-2012, 16:23   #16
Razor
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My initial point was what would gun owners be willing to change based on a dangerous weapon getting into the wrong hands and killing children? Or Firemen?
I'd accept the same changes that will be made to the 1st Amendment that would prevent the widespread violence and death created by Twitter and YouTube in the Middle East--none. Almost anything can be used be used for evil purposes, and I'm not into tossing the baby out with the bathwater (because that would be violence against a child, too--maybe we should outlaw baths.).

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Most astonishing, to me, is the solution offered is make guns more available and in an incredibly intrusive way, in schools. And then obviously, in churches (the Troy, IL shooting -- I see that church from my sons school)' in malls (OR). Everywhere, I guess.
Because responsible gun owners in those places have prevented/mitigated violence--New Life Church, CO and Clackamas Town Center, OR to name two recent examples.

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...because guns are for killing. Period. We want the killing to stop.
Wow, the short-sightedness of that statement astounds me. Never heard of IPSC, IDPA, 3-gun, trap & skeet, modern pentathalon, National Match, etc.? Both my boys are pretty proficient in using both a rifle and pistol to accurately punch holes in paper, and we all really enjoy those experiences; neither has ever killed anything with a firearm. I've personally taught dozens of Boy Scouts to shoot a .22 rifle, and except for a few whose dads have taken them hunting, most haven't ever killed anything with a firearm. There are plenty of sporting and recreational applications for firearms, although once again the Constitution doesn't require a sporting use to guarantee the individual the right to own a firearm (so says SCOTUS in Miller and Heller).

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There are certain cases where one is not allowed to say everything they want
There are cases where religious practices are illegal.
The federal limits on the 1st Amendment are very, very tightly scoped, much like requiring background checks on all retail gun purchases and age restrictions on ownership. States can and do add restrictions on both the 1A and 2A as they see fit, although 2A restrictions tend to be far more numerous.

I believe (but could very well be wrong) that the only restrictions on religious practices are those that, in their regular practice, violate other, existing federal laws (use of controlled substances, directly kill or harm others) . Last I checked, using a gun to kill or harm someone other than in specific self-defense situations is already illegal.
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