11-08-2005, 12:39
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Magazines and mag carriers for M4...
Greetings,
I've just signed up for a Bushmaster Carbine course at Blackwater and it appears I am in need of some gear for the course.
I spoke with the rep there and he recommended I bring 3-4 high capacity magazines and the means to access them quickly and a 3 point sling. He recommended belt mounted kydex magazine carriers or this piece of black water gear...
http://www.blackwatergear.com/pc-17-...k-carbine.aspx
From posts here I know that Blackhawk makes garbage, but I've never read anything here about Blackwater's stuff. I'd like avoid dropping money on stuff that will be falling apart one week after I've bought it. I've never needed any high speed gear like this so I have little/no experience in this arena.
The descriptor is:
"The course is designed to develop understanding and proficiency with a tactical carbine. Students will progress from basic handling and marksmanship skills to advanced shooting drills. This course focuses on techniques uesd in a urban environment."
I've searched through the forums a bit, found a few articles on making your own Kydex holsters and plate carriers. Is kydex even the way to go? I don't think I need a full on plate carrier for this but maybe I'm wrong?
If anyone could recommend some solid mfg or specific items I would be greatly indebted. Thanks in advance.
j
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11-08-2005, 12:43
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Their gear is made for them by Michaels of Oregon, opinions may vary, but I would not consider that in the top tier of fine nylon gear makers, especially considering the price.
I would go to Eagle, SO Tech, Tactical Tailor, Eggroll, Paraclete, etc.
Just my ,02, YMMV.
TR
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11-11-2005, 16:39
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Reaper,
Thanks for the Plug.... Just left a msg on your machine, lets chat sometime. 
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12-03-2005, 19:50
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I have had very good luck using the Blade Tech belt pouches for the AR. I use the ones with the Tec-Lock so I don`t need to remove my belt to reconfigure them if I need to. I sell quite a few of them for the 3 gun guys as well. They aren`t very expensive and very durable. You can fit 2 on your belt and still have room for pistol mags as well.
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12-03-2005, 20:04
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What are you training for?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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12-04-2005, 01:49
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Training for...
I'm taking the Bushmaster carbine course because I'm currently designing the shooting component in a war game/urban simulation program and I need to learn about shooting carbines. How the eye focuses, what it feels like when it fires, etc., etc.
A consultant we're using used to teach at Blackwater and got me into the class for free. He was going to lend me a lot of his stuff but I was afraid I'd screw it up, not to mention he used to carry a Blackhawk plate carrier and I was really worried it would get damaged.
I ended up getting a holster and a mag carrier system from Eagle as was recommended. I take the course late in January 06.
j
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12-09-2005, 08:29
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When you're in the military, does the Army provide this stuff for you or does it come out of your pockets?
As I mentioned, I did grab a Rhodesian from Eagle, but maybe I'll check out my friend's platecarrier when he comes home for X-mas.
He is already loaning me his EoTech and a few M4 magazines.
j
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12-09-2005, 09:52
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Until a few years ago, even SF was issued the finest Korean War and Vietnam era gear the lowest bidder could provide.
Finally, SOF started buying commercial off the shelf, as the soldiers had been doing and the issued gear is not bad now.
If you want the latest and greatest HSLD kit, you still have to buy it. Procurement is usually 5-10 years behind the comparable civilian gear.
TR
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12-09-2005, 15:47
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TR
I find that so depressing 
I guess it's good the military is finally issuing you folks decent equipment...I'll never understand why you spend tons of money selecting and training individuals only to short change them on tools they need.
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12-09-2005, 19:54
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Originally Posted by eva05
I guess it's good the military is finally issuing you folks decent equipment...I'll never understand why you spend tons of money selecting and training individuals only to short change them on tools they need.j
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Because you won't find any sort of agreement on gear from the field.
All it takes is asking the crew here who likes kydex and other molded polymer pieces of kit and who doesn't. Even if you found a majority liking one over the other, then start asking what features they want on a holster, sling, magazine pouches etc.
The discussion will go on for a while -- probably ten to fifteen years -- which is why the military is ten to fifteen years behind the civilian world in such equipment matters.
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