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Old 05-28-2005, 10:19   #1
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Ghost Wars

I can't believe we don't have a thread on this yet. I know it has been mentioned in other threads, but it needs one of its own.

Steve Coll, a Washington Post editor, just won a Pulitzer Prize for the book. It covers the history of our involvement in Afghanistan from the Soviet Invasion (and a little before that) through 9/10/01. Extensive interviews and footnotes. I thought it was awesome. Highly recommended to anyone interested in the region.

Any thoughts from those who know more than I?

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Old 05-31-2005, 06:58   #2
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I thought it was an excellent book.

Airbornelawyer knows many of the personalities in the book, so hopefully he will chime in.
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Old 06-02-2005, 08:10   #3
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Great book. It puts a lot if things in context and provides some great background info.
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Old 06-02-2005, 12:27   #4
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Old 01-02-2006, 18:24   #5
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Ghost Wars by Steve Coll

Hello all and Happy New Years,
I finished reading Steve Coll's Ghost Wars a little while ago, and was actually quite astonished by what I had heard was a 'boring, long winded book'. Ghost Wars covers in detail pretty much all the decision making, intelligence intake, and context of the U.S.' contact with islamic extremism and terrorism since the very start of U.S. covert envolvement in Astan (Carter admin).
I felt that the book was worth a recommendation based on two merits.
1. The book has no discernable political bias. It tells it like it is, and does not attempt to make judgements- I really feel that the reader is simply given full information and left to make decisions for his or herself. Because the book spans several political leaderships and approaches to the nascent GWoT, the lack of prejudice really highlights how history can turn on political nuance and complexity.

2. The second reason is just that: the book reveals extreme complexity. It does so in a way that makes the information easy to absorb, but really gives the reader a broad and deep understanding of just what was happening at all relevant levels of government and civilization, foreign and our own. This is above all the reason I loved the book. It really does demonstrate that the beating of a butterfly's wings can bring a hurricane to the other side of the globe.

A tangent:
I will probably get a lot of flak for this, but I feel that the movie Syriana (starring everyone's beloved George Clooney ) conveys the complexity of the U.S.-ME oil situation in an equal depth relative to the duration of the film. People will probably say that the movie is a liberal rant against oil companies and U.S. foreign policy, but instead what I see it as is a realistic demonstration of the difficulties this country faces, the webs it must weave and negotiate, and ultimately the ugly cost of preserving our national interests. Although the characters could be seen as stereotypes, with a more careful eye for detail it seems that the majority are complex characters who simply wear their motives on their sleeves to make the film easier to absorb. I also liked that the bombers at the end of the movie were not the typical 'evil terrorist' character, but were instead representative of what a lot of people say a certain kind of terrorist is like.

ANYWAY. Bottom line is that Ghost Wars and Syriana are excellent because they give a look into the extreme complexity that the U.S. faces and will face in all of its decision making.

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Old 01-02-2006, 23:54   #6
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Solid,

I haven't seen the movie but recently finished Ghost Wars.

In addition to the two points you made, I think it is also worth mentioning that the 'notes' for each chapter contain a wealth of information, as well. They are worth looking over.

If anyone is truly interested in recent US history, this is one book that should be included on one's reading list.

It's interesting to read some of the points you made re: Syriana. I'll keep them in mind when I see the film.

Happy New Year to you, too, Solid.

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Old 01-03-2006, 03:11   #7
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Uh... um... I... I read the book with the POST-9/11 section... so I thought it deserved.. it's own topic thread.

Appreciate the move, RL. I am ashamed of my weak search skills.

Roycroft,
Very true, the notes provide a wealth of information worth following-up on. I'm now reading Gen Sir Rupert Smith's The Utility of Force. His thesis is that the war-fighting model is now not based around state-state conventional conflict, and for this reason the utility of force has changed- but the use of force has not. He says that this disconnect is one of the problems the U.S. is facing in Iraq and, less so, Astan. Sir Smith was in charge of a UK armor division in Desert Storm and was Supreme Allied Commander for NATO.

Also interesting, but I find the writing to be like mine: long winded and needlessly dense. Of course, it's always a laugh when you hear him use some verbage from the Old Empire as if it's still current...

Have a good morning,

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Old 01-03-2006, 05:25   #8
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It's Sir Rupert, you use their first name not their last.

I wish we still had Knighhoods

Anyway, I'll have to pick up Ghost Wars. It sounds good.
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Old 01-04-2006, 00:01   #9
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I read Ghost Wars earlier this year and thought that it was an excellent book.

Another book that I recently finished was Sleeping with the Devil by Robert Baer. It details America's dealings with Saudia Arabia as well as the problems that the Saudi government has with the Islamic fundamentalists within Saudi Arabia. I was impressed by both of Baer's books.
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