SF Reservist arrested in AZ

12B4S · 04-13-2005, 21:37

This story is still being sorted out. To this point an Army reservist has been arrested for detaining seven illegals at gun point at an isolated rest stop in AZ on Hwy 8. So far it seems he has had two stints in Iraq. From Indiana traveling through AZ. When he came out to his truck seven mexicans came out of the bushes, his dog came between them and him at which time he got his pistol out of his truck and "detained" them. Just now listening to the 911 recording. On the tape he said he was SF Army. This story has a long way to go yet, but guess who is now under arrest. Here is a link. Although there is very little info on there right now and it is a LIB paper (of course, you folks can deduce that by the "undocumented immigrants" verbage.) OH! The illegals are pressing charges.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...n-blomo03.html

This story will go on for quite awhile. The lib media will be out to fry the guy, not to mention the ACLU. Well, need more facts to emerge.

12B4S · 04-13-2005, 22:25

Another article from the Arizona Republic (The AZ Repugnant). The illegals are "immigrants" to this rag. Anyway.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...tion13-ON.html

Smokin Joe · 04-13-2005, 23:21

Although I understand what he did and why he did it. It is not reasonable to detain illegal immigrants at gun point if you have no other info other than the fact that they are illegals; it is excessive force. Additionally citizens do not have the powers of arrest when it comes to federal laws. Hopefully this will just go away and the guy gets off with only an ass chewing by the judge. However with the Minuteman Project going on along the border here in AZ I doubt this guy will get off easy.

12B4S · 04-14-2005, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

Although I understand what he did and why he did it. It is not reasonable to detain illegal immigrants at gun point if you have no other info other than the fact that they are illegals; it is excessive force. Additionally citizens do not have the powers of arrest when it comes to federal laws. Hopefully this will just go away and the guy gets off with only an ass chewing by the judge. However with the Minuteman Project going on along the border here in AZ I doubt this guy will get off easy.

Hiya Smokin Joe. I agree............ mostly. There are other facts and variables to come out of this. We'll see where it leads. One place it'll lead is right into the liberal media's lap. This incident at first, through the media here was to tie him into the Minutemen. All the facts are not in yet, but if it went down as he has described, to tell the truth, I doubt I would have done it any differently. I don't care what nationality. I just have a problem with 6 or 7 of anybody jumping me. Unless they're fem.

Damn! Holding one or more folks at gunpoint because they came toward you out of the bushes in a remote desert area and may be a threat to you or your family is considered "excessive force" these days? Things keep changing, not my idea of excessive force. I don't know and there is mention of this guy being on drugs for combat stress. He may have been down there looking for something like this. We'll have to let it play out and see.

12B4S · 04-14-2005, 01:39

One other thing Joe. Aren't you the guy that I believe Razor said "was one more use of excessive force away" from attaining.... hmmm, what was it a knife? Can't remember that part and not in a mood to do search right now.

Smokin Joe · 04-14-2005, 02:48

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Originally Posted by 12B4S

One other thing Joe. Aren't you the guy that I believe Razor said "was one more use of excessive force away" from attaining.... hmmm, what was it a knife? Can't remember that part and not in a mood to do search right now.

LOL- it was to qualify for a "Man Killing MOS"

12B4S,
I got different info then what you did (nothing on the inside just a different news outlet). From what I understand these "Imigrants" were not even moving towards this guy. Who, knows...I made my statement on what little info I have which is: That this guy was at a rest stop just off Highway 8 (for you guys who don't know Highway runs almost through Mexico its so close to the border, also I-8 has some of the most desolate area I have EVER seen sand dunes for miles in all directions). Anyways the "Imigrants" come out of the bushes and are just walking not even towards this guy. Some how the "Imigrants" get between the Reservist and the Reservist dog, so the Reservist goes to his truck and gets his gun and "detains" these "Imigrants" at gun point. This to me is not reasonable because:

1. These "Imigrants" were not threatening this guy.
2. Nor even moving in his general direction. (this is total hersay)
3. Citizens do not have the authority to perform a citizen's arrest for federal imigration crimes.
4. He's not justified in threatening lethal force on these "Imigrants" because his life or the life of a third person is not in Emmient Danger of unlawful deadly force, nor was he stopping a Kidnapping, Rape, or Arson.

I think this guy should have been armed, and made it visible to the "Imigrants" that he was armed (i.e. not concealed) but I don't think that he should have "Detained" them at gun point.

Additionally, what I'm seeing with all the news here is that with the Minuteman Project going on the Feds (and libs) are going to Fry anyones ass that uses any amount of unjustified force on an Illegal Imigrant. Politics on this issue are getting really nasty and I would hate to be this Reservist caught in the middle. Good thing for this Reservist is he's a 2 tour Combat Vet (from what I hear) and he was NOT part of the Minuteman Project. If this was a private Citizen on public land part of the Minuteman Project, the media and Federal Governement would Crucifie them.

Just my .02 cents