Globalization

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 07:49

What is it? Is it a good or bad thing? Why? What impact does it have on the security environment? Was 9-11 related to globalization?

Huey14 · 03-18-2005, 07:58

Yes and no to it being a good thing. Would seem to benefit the large countrys more than the smaller ones.

IIRC correctly, Free Trade Agreements are part of globalisation. We have one with China coming up- I am against it as I believe it will destroy certain sectors of the local economy. We also want one with the US- I don't. There's little benefit for us in it.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-18-2005, 08:05

To me, globalization is a description of the results of improvements in transportation (including development of effective preservatives and packaging materials) and communications which have made it possible for someone in Des Moines to have frequent and meaningful interactions with someone in Bangkok. The principal security implication is that distance is less effective as a defense.

**Bill Harsey** · 03-18-2005, 08:16

This may be simple thinking but isn't our (the United States) race to exploit cheap labor in China, resulting in the explosive growth in the Chinese economy, going to cause us serious problems at many levels?

The first problem I can think of is we as a nation are losing and giving away the ability to manufacture our own goods because we are killing entire manufacturing traditions here to export them offshore.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-18-2005, 08:20

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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

This may be simple thinking but isn't our (the United States) race to exploit cheap labor in China, resulting in the explosive growth in the Chinese economy, going to cause us serious problems at many levels?

The first problem I can think of is we as a nation are losing and giving away the ability to manufacture our own goods because we are killing entire manufacturing traditions here to export them offshore.

Greenhat and D9 should be along shortly.

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 08:21

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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

This may be simple thinking but isn't our (the United States) race to exploit cheap labor in China, resulting in the explosive growth in the Chinese economy, going to cause us serious problems at many levels?

The first problem I can think of is we as a nation are losing and giving away the ability to manufacture our own goods because we are killing entire manufacturing traditions here to export them offshore.

Less than the risk of a disconnected country of 1,284,303,705 people?

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 08:24

If you look at the countries to which we have deployed troops since the fall of the USSR, they all have a couple of things in common it would seem to me.

Human beings are joiners by nature. They need acceptance. What will happen to Turkey (for example) if they are shut out of the EU? Look at NK - they belong to nothing. They have been left behind.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-18-2005, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

This may be simple thinking but isn't our (the United States) race to exploit cheap labor in China, resulting in the explosive growth in the Chinese economy, going to cause us serious problems at many levels?

The first problem I can think of is we as a nation are losing and giving away the ability to manufacture our own goods because we are killing entire manufacturing traditions here to export them offshore.

Further to NDD's point, as long as we get to pump MTV and the swimsuit issue in there, we should be fine.

We need capable conventional and nuclear forces too, of course.

**Bill Harsey** · 03-18-2005, 08:31

I've always understood that China is becoming dependant uopn the United States market and this makes us partners in trade. There may be some security in that.

I'm plotting the curve on the graph where we will give the upper hand in a big block of economics to China.

NousDefionsDoc · 03-18-2005, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Huey14

Yes and no to it being a good thing. Would seem to benefit the large countrys more than the smaller ones.

IIRC correctly, Free Trade Agreements are part of globalisation. We have one with China coming up- I am against it as I believe it will destroy certain sectors of the local economy. We also want one with the US- I don't. There's little benefit for us in it.

How is there little benefit to gaining access to two of the largest markets in the world?

Huey14 · 03-18-2005, 08:18

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How is there little benefit to gaining access to two of the largest markets in the world?

Just to note, I've read this and will answer in the morning, so you don't think I'm going to piss off without answering

**Roguish Lawyer** · 03-23-2005, 14:38

I like the comparison to Japan. Good one.

In case anyone is wondering, these are quotation marks:

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03-23-2005, 19:45

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What is it? Is it a good or bad thing? Why? What impact does it have on the security environment? Was 9-11 related to globalization?

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone address your security question.

1) China flat out steals technology. They are not the huge market the stock market bookies suggest; Purchase prototypes and reverse engineer.

2) China is balking at many of the IEEE standards and conferences over encryption. Naturally they don't want the USA sniffing, but neither do we want the reverse.

3) How do you know what is written in your software? How do you audit it, verify it when it is created in a foreign country? We all know gov'ts sniff and we all know there are legal loopholes to facilitate this. How do you control those hooks or even know of their existance when the software is controlled/created externally?

my .02

NousDefionsDoc · 03-23-2005, 19:50

So?

You think we don't do those things to them and everybody else?

That's like saying "China spies on us".

03-24-2005, 00:30

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So?

You think we don't do those things to them and everybody else?

That's like saying "China spies on us".

I'm sure we do, but I really don't want China controlling our infrastructure.

Why the US Govt approved the following is beyond me:
"Beijing-based Lenovo Group Ltd. won U.S. governmental clearance March 9 for its $1.25 billion purchase of IBM's personal computer unit, overcoming fears that the deal would let China spy on the United States."

Re scanned and found DennisW's post. I must have skipped a page on the first pass. Sums up my concern.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...8161#post68161

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For example, lets say that little bit of technology we just gave to the Microsoft divison in China will allow then to tract unit sales but oopps... it will also allow their Intelligence agencies to track our troop movements. Is that a security issue? You bet your ass. Where do Microsoft, Dell etc. loyalties reside? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust todays Corporate leadership to safeguard security technology(I'm still pissed that Toshiba sold our stealth propeller technology to the Russians).