06-13-2023, 07:29
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Where Memory Ends and Generative AI Begins
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UPDATES: I reviewed my post with my #2, and she pointed out some foibles on my part. (London GMT time is +5 hr to EST)
1) The correct term to use when Generative AI (Gen AI) makes up an answer is a hallucination not fabrication. A Gen AI Hallucinates g
eg: "The nuclear deployment plans were hallucinated by the Kamala Harris Strategic AI System." 
2) The medical GEN AI paper I talked of was by a US Docter. I am trying to source the original
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1) You will be buried if you are not watching AI as a topic. This is not a RickRolled.
2) AI is not JUST a blue color job eater.
3) Putting politics and Beaurricrats in charge of AI is an inevitable disaster.
My Background: As I may have said, after my service time, I returned to IBM the early 70t's. I was an operator, then a programmer, and retired as a senior system designer.
My #2 rug rat walked beside me and is now a managing director at Accenture. Her responsibility is the UK-EU government medical business.
SO,, The other day, we did some face-time, and I struck up a comm on my concerns about AI.
Although most think AI will impact blue-collar jobs(and it will), I think the significant impact will be on higher-level white-collar jobs. Examples:
Lawyers: put all law and court cases on a system, and an AI bot could very quickly be the judge & jury for all. No errors, no misquoted laws, and no need for a TV show like SUITS. PS: already available online but not self-aware.
Doctors: Feed a Gen AI bot all the symptoms, blood tests, and CT scans, and out pops your Chinese Fortun Cookie. It will have you back on your feet in no time, provided your social score is high enough.
#2's reply,, The USA has already run several tests on a Medical Gen AI system. The test Gen AI was told "consider all facts and back up any diagnosis with published papers and reviews from accredited medical sources."
The test was 100% successful, with meticulous detail and reams of fact-based analysis.
Problem: The AI bot took the above quote to heart.
When it could not find a source to substantiate its conclusions,
THE AI BOT FABRICATED(SIC, hallucinated) TECHNICAL PAPERS TO SUPPORT ITS RESULTS
The Gen AI bot assumed it had the liberty to create the required sources.
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Lauren Goode, Gear, May 26, 2023 6:00 AM
Where Memory Ends and Generative AI Begins
New photo manipulation tools from Google and Adobe are blurring the lines between real memories and those dreamed up by AI.
In late March, a well-funded artificial intelligence startup hosted what it said was the first ever AI film festival at the Alamo Drafthouse theater in San Francisco. The startup, called Runway, is best known for cocreating Stable Diffusion, the standout text-to-image AI tool that captured imaginations in 2022. In February of this year, Runway released a tool that could change the entire style of an existing video with just a simple prompt. Runway told budding filmmakers to have at it and later selected 10 short films to showcase at the fest.
The short films were mostly demonstrations of technology. Well-constructed narratives took a backseat. Some were surreal, and in at least one instance intentionally macabre. But the last film shown made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. It felt as though the filmmaker had deliberately misunderstood the assignment, eschewing video for still images. Called Expanded Childhood, the AI “film” was a slideshow of photos with a barely audible echo of narration.
https://www.wired.com/story/where-me...ive-ai-begins/
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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDa...)729512_EN.pdf
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06-13-2023, 08:55
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Life imitates art - and it wont be long until Skynet becomes self aware and sees "all humans as a threat" - once that happens, it will "decide our fate in a microsecond: extermination"
Besides, the T-800 and T-1000 don't hold a candle to the destructive power of a modern day liberal with power over the economy and health care systems.
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06-13-2023, 11:09
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There are some important limitations on the abilities of AI.
This is where humans fit into the mix.
All mathematics start with a set of axioms.
All logical arguments must start with initial assumptions.
AI is subject to the limits of math/logic.
The linked video details how this works.
Also, the whole “terminal goal” issue is very important when it comes to persuasion techniques.
Furthermore, it is a strong argument against having a technocracy (believe the science…).
https://youtu.be/hEUO6pjwFOo
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06-13-2023, 21:27
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06-14-2023, 04:27
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Interestingly, I just spent an hour yesterday on a block of continuing legal education on AI. The presenter said she fed the parameters into the beast and it produced a very good legal brief in the format for that particular District. HOWEVER, it completely missed a recent key SC ruling that invalidated its entire argument. Brief value? Zero.
Similarly, when the kids and I were playing around with it some months ago, I fed a complex joint-base and inter-service issue I was working on into it and within a minute it put out a three page opinion with all the relevant AR's, AFI,s DoDI's, and DoDD's cited. All the individual pieces were correct, but the conclusion was 100% wrong. Like Grateful Citizen said, it could not incorporate certain baseline logic/axioms.
Be careful of this stuff....
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06-14-2023, 09:48
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Interestingly, I just spent an hour yesterday on a block of continuing legal education on AI. The presenter said she fed the parameters into the beast and it produced a very good legal brief in the format for that particular District. HOWEVER, it completely missed a recent key SC ruling that invalidated its entire argument. Brief value? Zero.
Similarly, when the kids and I were playing around with it some months ago, I fed a complex joint-base and inter-service issue I was working on into it and within a minute it put out a three page opinion with all the relevant AR's, AFI,s DoDI's, and DoDD's cited. All the individual pieces were correct, but the conclusion was 100% wrong. Like Grateful Citizen said, it could not incorporate certain baseline logic/axioms.
Be careful of this stuff....
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Did you see the New York case where the lawyers used AI to write a motion to dismiss, and the AI just made up case citations out of whole cloth?
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06-14-2023, 06:45
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
The Gen AI bot assumed it had the liberty to create the required sources. [/B]
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That bot seems to have the correct logical progression and is acting as a citizen rather than a subject, to wit: That which is not expressly prohibited, is permitted.
(Versus the commie dikta of "you need a permission slip from me to do stuff and I may still say you broke the law.")
Sounds like the old GIGO, extended into the 21st century. They need to tweak that it seems.
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06-14-2023, 07:55
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Sounds like the old GIGO, extended into the 21st century.
They need to tweak that it seems.
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Let me be clear, my examples are TESTS to understand what Gen AI is capable of. :]
GIGO is a major problem. If the developers are not capable of forecasting a complete problem set & rules, they will unintentionally create GIGO hallucinations.
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