drone/counter-drone

[frostfire]

Well it's a matter of time. The first time I saw saw these suckers on amazon and on the shelves, I was sure I wasn't alone in foreseeing their weaponization

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/24/pe...l-isis-drones/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...IS-drones.html

700 millions vs. 200 bucks drone bought online
Mon Dieu! Why not the FRENCH approach:
http://time.com/4675164/drone-hunting-eagles/

A buddy who just got back mentioned they are now modified to shoot small arms as well. I am not as concerned about ISIS using them....but the precedence. Dropping things is one thing, but an improvised, disposable, forward observer to multiple mobile mortar teams (Benghazi multiplied by several order)? I wager our embassies, facilities, etc. are not drone-proof.
AWG and DARPA better come up with something fast

[JJ_BPK]

700 million seems a bit much,, but that's the way the 5 sided outhouse rolls..

The birds on the other hand present good value for the punch,, BUTT they are not easy to replicate. Their training cycle is probably longer than the Q course for 18D's.

Drones are not autonomous, they need handlers. In the case of the armed ones, use to attack tanks, the operator is not in a Lazy-Boy, air-conditioned trailer 200 miles away.

They also use radio freqs to send and receive video and flight controls.

A WIFI freq jammer should be simple enough to develop. If they focus on the freq's needed to transmit video, the drone is useless?? I suspect the current rage for WIFI micro-mini cameras may be key to the technology being used??

The freq use by the drone controller is the other leg to jam, but if you get the video first???

Hit the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz frequencies used for WiFi?? There are a bunch of different freqs, but I suspect 99% are using the current technology smart phones, so they don't get to choose what freq is used??



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

examples

https://www.ebay.com/itm/new-Super-S...oAAOSwaZdZvQDB

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-1080P-....c100506.m3226

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Sp...oAAOSwujBZ3Bw-

Musings from an FOG..

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

700 million seems a bit much,, but that's the way the 5 sided outhouse rolls..

The birds on the other hand present good value for the punch,, BUTT they are not easy to replicate. Their training cycle is probably longer than the Q course for 18D's.

Drones are not autonomous, they need handlers. In the case of the armed ones, use to attack tanks, the operator is not in a Lazy-Boy, air-conditioned trailer 200 miles away.

They also use radio freqs to send and receive video and flight controls.

A WIFI freq jammer should be simple enough to develop. If they focus on the freq's needed to transmit video, the drone is useless?? I suspect the current rage for WIFI micro-mini cameras may be key to the technology being used??

The freq use by the drone controller is the other leg to jam, but if you get the video first???

Hit the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz frequencies used for WiFi?? There are a bunch of different freqs, but I suspect 99% are using the current technology smart phones, so they don't get to choose what freq is used??

Musings from an FOG..

Don't hold your breath on that one, as very soon I'm sure they will be. The only thing that's going to stop them for sure is jammers. (Eagles are very cool, but the next step will be drones that can out fly an eagle.) Once we start using jammers the drones will be hardened and so on and so forth.

[Flagg]

To me drones feel a bit like it must have been for the Israelis in 1973 against wire guided Saggers.

Man portable drones are relatively new.

I see a lot more multi mode autonomy.

Manually controlled, freq is jammed, drone switches to autonomous mode and returns to preprogrammed RV.

I reckon counter drone is going to be multi layered approach.

Vehicle based for higher mobile echelon Defense, telescopic pole based on FOBs.

New jammers as previously stated, and new rifle, shotgun, and grenade launcher rounds for close proximity drone swarm attacks.

The best defence I believe may be taking good guy COTS drones that are multi-mode, capable of being an anti-drone drone to intercept.

Not a particularly difficult thing to do as long as the basic sensors and matched with some well written software code.

The the bad guy drones will be flying counter routes and so on and so on.

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

700 million seems a bit much,, but that's the way the 5 sided outhouse rolls..

The birds on the other hand present good value for the punch,, BUTT they are not easy to replicate. Their training cycle is probably longer than the Q course for 18D's.

Drones are not autonomous, they need handlers. In the case of the armed ones, use to attack tanks, the operator is not in a Lazy-Boy, air-conditioned trailer 200 miles away.

They also use radio freqs to send and receive video and flight controls.

Then it’s time for outsourcing
http://relay.nationalgeographic.com/...ctor-interview

....I doubt the price tag for nomads living in sparse land is even a million.
And the chicks-rule crowd will be pleased too. Win-win-win


The jammer is not solving the problem over there . The details are not for public release just yet

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Screw the drone the operator with a remote will leave an electronic footprint that is where my kill zone would be.

Even drone operators have to go home at night, or step outside for a smoke or to relieve themselves.

Some SHTF book I read had the "patriots" targeting the drone operators base.

[tonyz]

A bit older article but interesting nonetheless. The X8 flying wing drone linked in the article looks pretty cool.

I Could Kill You with a Consumer Drone
BY BRETT VELICOVICH
JUNE 27, 2017

Right now, I’m holding a drone that can fly thousands of feet in air in less than 30 seconds, getting it to an altitude where no one could see it. My drone could be up in the air, ready to strike a target before you even had time to blink.

A range extender I’ve added to the antenna allows me to control it up to seven miles away. Or I can click a button to activate a tracking device, ordering my drone to follow a vehicle or person, filming every movement in 4K high-definition video. If it ever loses its radio link to the controller, it can automatically return to its launch location. Except — this drone is not meant to come back. It is not meant to take nice photos of my vacation. It is meant to strike. A small mechanism allows it to carry and drop a 2.5-pound payload — potentially grenades, bombs, even poison.

Think that’s pretty high tech? Guess what — you can buy it at your local Apple store or Walmart.

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017...seone_today_nl

[Team Sergeant]

I've been waiting for the first "civilian" kill using a drone. I'm betting 2018 will be the year drone deaths start. I find it amusing folks are using them to deliver guns and drugs to prisoners in prison.......

[GratefulCitizen]

A smart government would infiltrate the various manufacturers.
They would engineer weaknesses of their own choosing into the drones.

Then, find a way to subsidize specific manufacturers of distributors to ensure market success.
Heavy regulation for the industry in general plus tax breaks/waivers for the ones you want to succeed might work.