Perpetual Crisis

Ret10Echo · 04-14-2017, 10:45

Kongress creates perpetual crisis state in order to leverage greater political capital, which simply exacerbates budget and policy issues that really matter.

Thank you Gen. Paul Selva, Vice Chairman of Joint Chiefs

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“If it makes you feel better, we are all making history. We’ve had the longest period in American history where Congress has been unable to deliver a budget on schedule. We’ve had the longest period in American history where we have not complied with constitutional budget order and we have the first administration in the history of the United States that has transitioned under a continuing resolution.” Selva said during an April 13 Air Force Association breakfast in Arlington, Virginia. “Congratulations. All of your names will be in a history book somewhere. They should be in a history book as the American citizens who lost faith in the ability of Congress to do its job.”

Here from Federal News Radio

**Peregrino** · 04-14-2017, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Kongress creates perpetual crisis state in order to leverage greater political capital, which simply exasperates budget and policy issues that really matter.

Thank you Gen. Paul Selva, Vice Chairman of Joint Chiefs

Here from Federal News Radio

Exasperates or exacerbates? (Hint: I'm exasperated because those a**holes are exacerbating the entrenched budget and policy problems left over from the previous administration.)

Ret10Echo · 04-14-2017, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

Exasperates or exacerbates? (Hint: I'm exasperated because those a**holes are exacerbating the entrenched budget and policy problems left over from the previous administration.)

Ha! Thanks....

Trapper John · 04-15-2017, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Kongress creates perpetual crisis state in order to leverage greater political capital, which simply exacerbates budget and policy issues that really matter.

Thank you Gen. Paul Selva, Vice Chairman of Joint Chiefs

Here from Federal News Radio

A good case for term limits IMO!

Ret10Echo · 01-18-2018, 16:33

Well, here we are nearly a year on and the Federal Government is failing to execute one of the few things they are supposed to do...

4 budgets in 40 years....

So who is at fault?

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Article 1 Section 7 of the United States Constitution states: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

Article 1 Section 9 clause 7 says: “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”

CDRODA396 · 01-18-2018, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Both parties are more interested in their own power than doing their job. They don't give a rats ass about the public.

This sums it all up, period. Even Lyndsey Graham said today, words almost a quote, we could solve it in 10 minutes if we wanted to. No one in DC gives a shit enough to want to.

lindy · 01-18-2018, 17:55

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Originally Posted by CDRODA396

This sums it all up, period. Even Lyndsey Graham said today, words almost a quote, we could solve it in 10 minutes if we wanted to. No one in DC gives a shit enough to want to.

Exactly!

The Senate majority leader should change the rules to simple majority and ram legislation down Democrats throats while they can...because if the Dems take the chamber, that is precisely what they will do.

Ret10Echo · 01-18-2018, 19:05

Out of the house and over to senate...

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The GOP controls the Senate 51-49 and will need a substantial number of Democratic votes to reach 60 — the number needed to end Democratic delaying tactics. Republicans were all but daring Democrats to scuttle the bill and force a shutdown because of immigration, which they said would hurt Democratic senators seeking re-election in 10 states that Trump carried in 2016.

Funny (funny - sad, not funny-haha) that dims motivation is for non-citizens (but then again they consider that their voter-base).

HardRoad · 01-19-2018, 14:40

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Originally Posted by Trapper John

A good case for term limits IMO!

Unless you also mandate that congressional staff can't work for consecutive congressmen, you make them even more powerful, since they become the only ones that know how things work on the hill, and they're far worse than the congressmen are.

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

ddoering · 01-19-2018, 17:03

Put the entire Legislative Branch in Gitmo and make them all plead their case that they deserve to live. At the same time dig into their finances (including extended family) and confiscate everything outside of their pay grade.

**Box** · 01-19-2018, 22:48

The sad truth is that America is collectively getting the government she deserves. I always said that term limits begin at the ballot box - but as we all see - the ballot box is just for show.

Hell, there are plenty of people in VT that love Patrick Leahy - but if you were suggesting term limits for folks like Orrin Hatch or Chuck Grassley, those same voters be amenable to term limits. Conservatives that would like to see Ted Cruz have a long career probably wonder why the voters in San Fransisco keep putting Pelosi back in office.

Dumbed down - people are stupid. Being a good citizen requires a little effort and research and quite frankly most people seem to prefer their news served up with an appropriate hashtag. Its hard to tell where we really jumped the shark because each party has been pointing fingers at the other side for so long - nobody remembers which party "fired the first shot"

Hell, the Hatfields and McCoys kept better records than our politicians do.

miclo18d · 01-20-2018, 06:21

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Originally Posted by Box

The sad truth is that America is collectively getting the government she deserves. I always said that term limits begin at the ballot box - but as we all see - the ballot box is just for show.

Hell, there are plenty of people in VT that love Patrick Leahy - but if you were suggesting term limits for folks like Orrin Hatch or Chuck Grassley, those same voters be amenable to term limits. Conservatives that would like to see Ted Cruz have a long career probably wonder why the voters in San Fransisco keep putting Pelosi back in office.

Dumbed down - people are stupid. Being a good citizen requires a little effort and research and quite frankly most people seem to prefer their news served up with an appropriate hashtag. Its hard to tell where we really jumped the shark because each party has been pointing fingers at the other side for so long - nobody remembers which party "fired the first shot"

Hell, the Hatfields and McCoys kept better records than our politicians do.

Very good points. My dad always said, “Everyone hates politicians, except their own!” Similar to, “Everyone hates lawyers, until you need one.”

I have always believed in strict Constitutionalism with regards to term limits and the fact that we have a “revolution” every 2 years, but I’m afraid politicians have worked the system for SO long that they’ve found all the loop holes to feed themselves while telling us what we want to hear and, at the same time, getting NOTHING accomplished. I have changed to a term limits guy in the last few years.

Something I heard recently, “A person is smart, but people are dumb.” (Agent K, MIB was the only quote I could find for it). Basically, we are ruled by the Lowest Common Denominators in our society. In modern speak, Low IQ Voters.

Trapper John · 01-20-2018, 09:03

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Originally Posted by HardRoad

Unless you also mandate that congressional staff can't work for consecutive congressmen, you make them even more powerful, since they become the only ones that know how things work on the hill, and they're far worse than the congressmen are.

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

A very, very good point Brother!

And Pete, repeal of the 17th A is priority #1 IMO!

Ret10Echo · 01-20-2018, 19:12

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Originally Posted by HardRoad

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

So Border Patrol agents would only serve 5 years? Likewise other Federal LE? Federal Firefighters...5 years and your gone?

Civilian instructors in the schoolhouses across the DOD?

What do you believe to be the composition of the incompetent "civil servants"? (emphasis added)

bblhead672 · 01-22-2018, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

So Border Patrol agents would only serve 5 years? Likewise other Federal LE? Federal Firefighters...5 years and your gone?

Civilian instructors in the schoolhouses across the DOD?

What do you believe to be the composition of the incompetent "civil servants"? (emphasis added)

There needs to be a method to determine when a "civil servant" quits serving the American taxpayer and starts "self serving" or "agenda serving."

I have no idea what that would look like. Its amazing to me the number of federal employees who are furloughed yet "essential" government services continue to function. Always thought that indicated how many extra people there are on the federal payroll.