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		|  12-17-2016, 16:24 | #1 |  
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				Trump? Sheeple? WTF
			 
 
			
			I have spent my entire 69 years seeing Soviets in terms ranging from suspicion and distrust to actively opposing Soviet client states. Having said that, my ears perked up when Trump heralded Vladimir and company almost from day one. When he invited them to meddle in our electoral process got my hackles up.
 We had an election of a commander-In-chief who Likes Putin because he spoke nice things about him. Sheeple followed the pied piper. Now it appears that 37% think nice thoughts of the soviet bear.
 
 Our CINC has no respect or belief in our intelligence or law enforcement arms of government. He loots the financial sector without any checks and balances. This was guaranteed when he refused to provide IRS data as a candidate.
 
 While I was disappointed by Obama's performance, I am genuinely concerned for the future I am leaving for my children, and generations to come. It will take a generation to recovery.
 
 So I say, WTF happened? How did we go from a beacon of democracy to be emulated to almost a third world CINC.
 
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		|  12-17-2016, 17:26 | #2 |  
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			Try the de-caffeinated brands first, then maybe something stronger from the liquor cabinet.    
Putin has been playing master chess for a lot longer than Obama's years of public service and it shows. You can't bring your checkers game to the room and be taken seriously. No more 'Bugs Bunny' red lines drawn in the sand, "I dare you to cross this line. No. This line..."
 
As far as any cordial relationship between Trump and Putin go - that's business. Hopefully in the next administration there are more win/win or win/lose propositions than the majority of lose/win gamesmanship Putin has played against Obama. 
 
Having had a part and player in the strategic intelligence and war fighting strategy during the first Cold War I can tell you that I too have little faith in the modern day equivalent of our intelligence community from the DNI, DIA to the DCIA. Same goes for the current atmosphere of the DOJ and FBI. There is no trust at the highest levels of doing the right thing when the right thing is hard. I think and I hope I'm right that in the next year or two America can lead the world again in making the right hard decisions that foster respect and integrity in world affairs. 
 
As far as Russia meddling in our political elections that's a time honored game of cat and mouse. Just ask Ted Kennedy. As it appears this time wouldn't have been an issue either if Clinton had been elected as they thought would happen.
		
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		|  12-18-2016, 02:02 | #3 |  
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					Originally Posted by bushmaster11  Our CINC has no respect or belief in our intelligence or law enforcement arms of government. He loots the financial sector without any checks and balances. This was guaranteed when he refused to provide IRS data as a candidate.
 
 So I say, WTF happened? How did we go from a beacon of democracy to be emulated to almost a third world CINC.
 
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 |  Beacon of Democracy to third world status in merely weeks?  
 
Hillary lost.  Democratic talking points have already been rejected.   It was the original Fake News story.
 
I personally like the fact that we have a President Elect that is unafraid to throw the Bullshit flag.  Also he is a proven successful negotiator with decades of experience.  I seriously doubt anyone outside of his closest advisors or family know what exactly what he does or does not respect, if you do then you have a golden ticket.  
 
I am actually surprised that you are so fired up to defend the greater IC/ government when it is a known fact how political they have become this past decade (or two).  DOJ/ FBI/ IRS/ VA/ DoE/ EPA/ NEA,,,, and even the IC itself.  
 
I take it you have a government job?
		 
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		|  12-18-2016, 04:03 | #4 |  
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					Originally Posted by blue02hd  Beacon of Democracy to third world status in merely weeks?  
 Hillary lost.  Democratic talking points have already been rejected.   It was the original Fake News story.
 
 I personally like the fact that we have a President Elect that is unafraid to throw the Bullshit flag.  Also he is a proven successful negotiator with decades of experience.  I seriously doubt anyone outside of his closest advisors or family know what exactly what he does or does not respect, if you do then you have a golden ticket.
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Very well said, Sir!!!  President Elect Trump is scoring high marks so far, IMHO.
 
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		|  12-18-2016, 04:12 | #5 |  
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			Pulleeeeeeezzzzz...the Statist bastard did everything but suck off the Russian on camera... 
Obama tells Russian PM "After Election I Have More Flexibilty" 3/26/2012
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE
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			Trump worked very hard during this election cycle and I believe his angst is directed at the lefties who want to 'blame' their loss on some outside source.
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					Originally Posted by PRB  Trump worked very hard during this election cycle and I believe his angst is directed at the lefties who want to 'blame' their loss on some outside source.
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And the left-wing progressive socialists will continue to blame everyone but themselves. And when this newest excuse fades they will go back to calling President Trump "racist" again.
		 
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		|  12-18-2016, 11:09 | #8 |  
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					Originally Posted by bushmaster11  I have spent my entire 69 years seeing Soviets in terms ranging from suspicion and distrust to actively opposing Soviet client states. Having said that, 1.my ears perked up when Trump heralded Vladimir and company almost from day one. 2. When he invited them to meddle in our electoral process got my hackles up.
 3. We had an election of a commander-In-chief who Likes Putin because he spoke nice things about him. Sheeple followed the pied piper. Now it appears that 37% think nice thoughts of the soviet bear.
 
 4. Our CINC has no respect or belief in our intelligence or law enforcement arms of government. 5. He loots the financial sector without any checks and balances. 6.  This was guaranteed when he refused to provide IRS data as a candidate.
 
 While I was disappointed by Obama's performance, I am genuinely concerned for the future I am leaving for my children, and generations to come. It will take a generation to recovery.
 
 So I say, WTF happened? How did we go from a beacon of democracy to be emulated to almost a third world CINC.
 
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 |  So, bear with me as I unpack all of this one by one.
 
1.  Trump's comment was a comparison of Putin as leader for Russia to Obama as a leader of U.S.  I would agree that Putin is a stronger leader in that he is putting Rusian interests first.  Can't say that about Obama.
 
2.  It was a comment wrt to HRC's deleted 33,000 emails.  IRC, shortly before this comment foreign gov'ts were thought to have hacked HRC's server.  He made this comment sarcastically.
 
3.  I recall the comment you are referring to.  Once again you are failing to recognize humor/sarcasm.
 
4.  Based upon what evidence?
 
5. Same question.
 
6.  No requirement to release tax returns and frankly, given the complexity of the tax code, I would not release mine either.  Too much opportunity for misinformation and disinformation IMO and  having to explain reasoning for taking deductions or not.  Trump did release detailed financial statements that are far more relevant IMO.
 
Frankly, Bushmaster, your entire post strikes me as a regurgitation of progressive talking points with no original thought, explanation of your point of view, or references to substantiate assertions that are  mere opinions represented as fact.
 
Now, you have  been on this forum long enough to know  better.  I will give you the benefit of the  doubt and assume that  you are under the effects from drinking too much of the progressive kool-aid.  So please, when those effects have worn off, try again.    
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		|  12-18-2016, 11:29 | #9 |  
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			I do agree with the fact that it will take us at least a generation if not longer to recover from the damage Obama has done to our nation.
		 
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		|  12-18-2016, 11:51 | #10 |  
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			[QUOTE=bushmaster11;621260]I have spent my entire 69 years seeing Soviets in terms ranging from suspicion and distrust to actively opposing Soviet client states. Having said that, my ears perked up when Trump heralded Vladimir and company almost from day one. When he invited them to meddle in our electoral process got my hackles up.
 Russia was flat on its back before President Obama the greatest pied piper of all took the Presidency and by the time he and Hillary were done Russia was not only a near peer it can be argued they surpassed us with a President who has no idea what a strong military does allowed our advantages to dissipate and now we are behind. We have seen Iran, Russia and China gain significant influence while our delusional POTUS was sleeping. SO you are worried about Trump????when under Obama and Hillary's watch Russia grew into a threat again and worse they helped them...oh lets forget the money Obama gave Iran who's main export is state sponsored terror or the stupidest U.S. sponsored act that has dug us into a hole we cannot seem to get out of the fantastic Arab Spring
 
 
 We had an election of a commander-In-chief who Likes Putin because he spoke nice things about him. Sheeple followed the pied piper. Now it appears that 37% think nice thoughts of the soviet bear.
 
 Americans appreciate strength if we don't respect the strength of Putin and recognize it unlike Obama then we are asking for what we have gotten under Obama, Russians are tough stoic people accustomed to struggle like any other predator they smell weakness they take what they want. Did you really want to go to war with a depleted military both people and technologically under a weak leader like Hillary ironically she was also complicit in their becoming powerful again.
 
 Our CINC has no respect or belief in our intelligence or law enforcement arms of government. He loots the financial sector without any checks and balances. This was guaranteed when he refused to provide IRS data as a candidate.
 
 Funny many of us actually still serving feel the same... under Obama, intelligence took a backseat to LGBT, Women rights and Green energy. How about the CENTCOM Commander being brought before Congress become over 50 highly experienced analysts wrote an anonymous letter stating that the intelligence was false and corrupted by the many layers of GS and commanders between them and the POTUS(Command climate). Law enforcement under this administration was a group of fat under achieving woman suing the Colorado Springs Police Dept because the physical requirements of the police dept. were biased against woman forcing the city to suspend the requirement that should make americans feel safe. Or all the cop killings in which Obama refused to condemn.
 
 While I was disappointed by Obama's performance, I am genuinely concerned for the future I am leaving for my children, and generations to come. It will take a generation to recovery.
 
 Take hope Hillary was not allowed to finish the destruction of America Obama started and the DNC has shown its true colors where even the most liberal should be able to see their F-America agenda. The blue collar working people who have been affected by the socialism Obama started spoke in spite of a social media that would make Joseph Goebbels jealous and hollywood. Our children will inherit a job, opportunity to achieve and some form of strength under a post Trump
 
 So I say, WTF happened? How did we go from a beacon of democracy to be emulated to almost a third world CINC.
 
 America WE THE PEOPLE spoke at the ballot
 
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			Good grief Bushmaster11. Way to reset your credibility back to zero.
 Responses are well done guys.
 
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		|  12-18-2016, 17:06 | #12 |  
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				Well, come on
			 
 
			
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