12-18-2015, 16:49
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+P
I just got a S&W 642. Trying to find ammo, and the only JHP I can find is +P. Gun is rated for it, but I'm not sure I like the idea of overpressure.
What do you guys think of +P ammo, especially for use in a 642? 
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12-18-2015, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I just got a S&W 642. Trying to find ammo, and the only JHP I can find is +P. Gun is rated for it, but I'm not sure I like the idea of overpressure.
What do you guys think of +P ammo, especially for use in a 642? |
It's a 642. Most are carried a lot, shot (almost) never. For that you only need 5 rounds of JHP. 5 rounds of +P isn't going to hurt the revolver and if you ever have to use it, you'll never remember it was +P anyway. By the same token, use cheap stuff to practice with. If you don't have much experience with the 642, you'll want a decent amount of practice, at least initially.
I tell you these things because the wife has one - and I know whereof I speak. 
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12-18-2015, 18:26
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It's a 642. Most are carried a lot, shot (almost) never. For that you only need 5 rounds of JHP. 5 rounds of +P isn't going to hurt the revolver and if you ever have to use it, you'll never remember it was +P anyway. By the same token, use cheap stuff to practice with. If you don't have much experience with the 642, you'll want a decent amount of practice, at least initially.
I tell you these things because the wife has one - and I know whereof I speak. |
So practice with something other than what I will shoot if I have to use the weapon? 
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12-18-2015, 18:58
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So practice with something other than what I will shoot if I have to use the weapon? |
Not to but in, but I shot 115 gr for practice.
It don't take long to practice with Buffalo Bore:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/171...heck-box-of-20
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12-18-2015, 19:19
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So practice with something other than what I will shoot if I have to use the weapon? |
Yes. Absolutely. Without a doubt. Emphatically in fact.
It's more fun.
It's cheaper.
It's less fatiguing.
All of which means you will practice a lot more.
You will get better results. Remember - (perfect) practice makes perfect and you will get much better results with modest practice ammo.
When it comes time to "do the deed" you won't know the difference (and that first box of JHPs will last you years - so get good ones!). NOTE: I am NOT saying you shouldn't occasionally shoot your carry ammo; on the contrary, you must shoot it occasionally for familiarity and to keep the ammo rotated. It's just that you don't need to shoot a steady diet of it.
Here's a link to a pretty good article about 642s: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...son-model-642/ There is a decent mix of humor and wisdom here with very little "reading between the lines" required.
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12-18-2015, 21:08
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Speer, Remington and others make a +P for short barrel revolvers. If you can't pick up the front sight paint it orange or red with enamel paint the paint is cheap and if it doesn't work for you it is easily removed. A little black magic marker on the back cut of the rear V "sight" may help too.
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12-18-2015, 22:58
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While I can put bullets through bullet holes (not necessarily the preceding one ) with my USPc .45 at 7 yards, I have yet to hit the target with my wife's LCR 9mm at the same distance. And when you've only got 5 chances... 
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12-18-2015, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I just got a S&W 642. Trying to find ammo, and the only JHP I can find is +P. Gun is rated for it, but I'm not sure I like the idea of overpressure.
What do you guys think of +P ammo, especially for use in a 642? |
When I carried a 442 around, I used the heaviest Buffalo Bore plus P. It's a .38-you need the extra oomph. It's harder to shoot follow-ups and it' a bear to clean if you use the flatnosed lead, but if you ever have to put a hole in a BG, you'll be glad you did.
IMO, that round will deliver a lighting-bolt effect.
I'm weird, though-I like .45 over 9 mm and 45-70 over .270.
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12-20-2015, 20:11
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I just got a S&W 642. Trying to find ammo, and the only JHP I can find is +P. Gun is rated for it, but I'm not sure I like the idea of overpressure.
What do you guys think of +P ammo, especially for use in a 642? |
Unless you shoot 3x a week and are an animal stay away from +P ammo.
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12-21-2015, 00:30
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Unless you shoot 3x a week and are an animal stay away from +P ammo.
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My P08 Luger loves +P ammo and we are celebrating its 100th Birthday next year. Anything less than +P and it tends to smokestack. This is probably due to it being made by Erfurt and not Smith & Wesson. It does take two more rounds though and is hellishly accurate.
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12-21-2015, 05:38
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This is probably due to it being made by Erfurt and not Smith & Wesson.
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lol
9mm plus p is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to inch the power of a weak-sister caliber closer to that of the magnificent and venerable .45 ACP.
It's like putting a four-barrel carb in a Pinto.
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12-21-2015, 05:59
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lol
9mm plus p is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to inch the power of a weak-sister caliber closer to that of the magnificent and venerable .45 ACP.
It's like putting a four-barrel carb in a Pinto.
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Ha ha. Yip, it has quite a good reputation here though as it penetrates well and a lot of our shooting involves shooting through car doors and windows. That said, one of my carry guns is the Star PD .45 so I am a great believer in the .45 for one-shot put-downs. With a 9mm. the crazy ones keep coming unless you shoot them in the right spot, and that came be very small.
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12-21-2015, 06:51
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With a 9mm. the crazy ones keep coming unless you shoot them in the right spot, and that came be very small.
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CONCUR
Especially after runnin' up a few hundred ML's of liquid adrenalin...
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