07-09-2015, 14:33
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Army to consider hollow point bullets for new pistol
Army to consider hollow point bullets for new pistol
http://www.armytimes.com/story/milit...oint/29886907/
"The Army is considering the use of expanding and fragmenting ammunition, such as hollow point bullets, to increase its next-generation handgun's ability to stop an enemy.
This bit of news was revealed Tuesday, during the service's fourth industry day for its Modular Handgun System...."
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"..."There's a myth that [expanding/fragmenting bullets] are prohibited in international armed conflict, but that doesn't make any sense now," Jackson said...."
Hmmmm
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07-09-2015, 17:12
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Did the FBI CIA Forest Rangers and/or Marine Patrol start using HP ammo?? Homeland Security baught a bunch, but I never heard what they purchased..
I know the local LEO's here in Brevard us HP's.
HP's are great when the perp has a t-shirt, but start adding field gear, soft & hard armor,, I think not so good..
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07-14-2015, 17:18
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Sounds good.
I know that Military Police on post already use them.
This hints to me that the next sidearm will continue to be a .45 set to stun (cross thread points/ref to 9mm)
My understanding is that most HPs when hitting a bunch of clothing will get blocked up and perform as a ball round. Hence, Hornady's Critical Duty has a polymer hollow point filler.
As far as armor goes, hollow point or ball it doesn't/shouldn't make a difference. I shot some soft armor HP & Ball, both were stopped. (9mm and .45)
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07-15-2015, 14:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
Did the FBI CIA Forest Rangers and/or Marine Patrol start using HP ammo?? Homeland Security baught a bunch, but I never heard what they purchased..
I know the local LEO's here in Brevard us HP's.
HP's are great when the perp has a t-shirt, but start adding field gear, soft & hard armor,, I think not so good..
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What DHS bought was 180 gr JHP in 40 S&W. A little bit better than the 155 stuff they bought before their current contract.
My question is, didn't the Hague Convention outlaw the use of bullets designed to expand within the body such as JHP?
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07-15-2015, 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Green
My question is, didn't the Hague Convention outlaw the use of bullets designed to expand within the body such as JHP?
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The US didn't sign the document..
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07-15-2015, 15:57
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We generally abide by the conventions, even though we are not signatories.
My understanding is that unless your opponent wears an identifiable uniform, has a clearly established chain of command, and follows the conventions themselves, we are not obligated to honor them either.
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07-15-2015, 17:31
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Thank you both for teaching me something I didn't know. I had always operated under the assumption that we had signed off on it since I never saw any military HP rounds.
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05-21-2025, 06:38
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Originally Posted by FrankWeike
Coulda swore someone did a bunch of body work on a honda around here and did a nice little set of pictures to show what all he did. But i cant find it.
Would it be worth it to do a little write up on my process of body work? More than what i just document and post in my progress log anyway.
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https://www.professionalsoldiers.com...36757&page=179
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