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Old 12-19-2004, 12:49   #1
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Fighting with gear

Hi,
I would like to start a thread about special techniques related to a fight with personal equipment and/or weapon and/or rucksack. I think it can be very useful for CQB when close and surprise encounters are very likely to happen.
I have no experience in such fighting, and I don't know what training members of this board received.

Few points that come in my mind are:
-legs are becoming a decisive weak point;
-an unslung weapon can be thrown on a very close target, immediately followed by another attack, or the use of secondary weapon;
-arms are not very effective, except on an unprotected head;
-front kick (very difficult to block) can be used to just push away the threat, destabilize it, and pull out the secondary weapon. Even with a chest rig or protection, it is very hard to resist a sharp and powerful front kick;
-the importance of a knife;
-a bended charge (usually used by heavy weights) can still be easily blocked with the knee, since the nose is almost always exposed. A bended charge is particularly vulnerable to a counter-strike with a knife on the back;
-the importance of unconventional attacks. (i.e. spiting of throwing objects);
-with rucksack comes the disadvantage of lack of balance;
-a slung carbine can still be used to push away;
-knife is a finishing tool, not a starting one.

I think a good goal of any technique is to destabilize the threat, enabling the use the secondary weapon.

Another interesting aspect is a training with corners, stairs, etc.. I.E. What if on the down side of a stair.

Any ideas??
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Old 12-19-2004, 14:21   #2
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-a bended charge (usually used by heavy weights) can still be easily blocked with the knee, since the nose is almost always exposed. A bended charge is particularly vulnerable to a counter-strike with a knife on the back;
What do you mean? A roundhouse low kick?

I've got some thoughts, but I'm not enough of an authority to give much advice on these matters.
 
Old 12-19-2004, 14:26   #3
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What do you mean? A roundhouse low kick?
No,
I meant this:
http://www.openface.ca/~zibalatz/ndg...ce/Image81.gif

We did some experiments in Kung-fu classes. Very effective, never fails.
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Old 12-29-2004, 11:52   #4
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an unslung weapon can be thrown on a very close target
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Why the hell would you want to throw your weapon at the enemy? What good could that acheive?
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Old 12-29-2004, 14:15   #6
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Why the hell would you want to throw your weapon at the enemy? What good could that acheive?
Lol good question.
You already know how fast can be a fight. It's a matter of seconds, sometimes less.

If you have a very close and unexpected encounter (<5m), and your main weapon jams, just throwing it to gain an extra second can saves your life. Of course without any secondary weapon this is a lot more hazardous!
If there is no jamming this is not a good idea for obvious reasons.
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