The rhetoric is winding up in Ukraine. Got plans for the weekend?

[LarryW]

From the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...kraine-as.html

With Australia sending in a law enforcement "contingent" to protect the crash site of MH-17 this could make for an interesting weekend.

I know, let's all just go to Martha's Vineyard and watch WW-3 on TV.

[CSB]

Why aren't the Dutch sending in the Dutch Army, since they had a significant loss of life from the assault, are a NATO member, and are geographically close, they should take the lead to team up with the Ukraine government and seize the territory.

Oh wait, the Dutch will have to schedule it for a union vote.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I wonder if they'll bring guns?

Or is this a mission of peace and understanding?

Anyone drunk and stupid enough to shoot down a commercial airliner is dumb enough to take prisoners (aka hostages) in return for a Ukrainian ceasefire.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by CSB

Why aren't the Dutch sending in the Dutch Army, since they had a significant loss of life from the assault, are a NATO member, and are geographically close, they should take the lead to team up with the Ukraine government and seize the territory.

Oh wait, the Dutch will have to schedule it for a union vote.

Maybe they are??

(Reuters) - Australia will send 100 additional police and some defense force personnel to Europe to join a planned Dutch-led international security force to secure the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crash site, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Friday.

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) officers, some of whom will be armed, will join a contingent of 90 AFP officers already in London waiting for a deal with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to be approved by Ukraine's parliament.

link:

[RomanCandle]

By the looks of it they'll have to watch their backs with the Ukrainian military far more that with the Ukrainian rebels. Seems like the rebels have done a lot more to assist the OSCE investigators and the other internationals who appear to have been hindered far more by indiscriminate Government fire in the area than by any rebel actions.

An international force to secure the area would need to be authorised by the UN Security Council and we all know how effective they are in conflict zones. The Europeans would likely have a bit of a different view of coming into conflict with the Russians than the US would. Ties between Europe and Russia have become stronger over the last decade with a lot of economic dependence on each other so NATO involvement on the Euro side might not fly over this issue so to speak.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by RomanCandle

By the looks of it they'll have to watch their backs with the Ukrainian military far more that with the Ukrainian rebels. Seems like the rebels have done a lot more to assist the OSCE investigators and the other internationals who appear to have been hindered far more by indiscriminate Government fire in the area than by any rebel actions.

Source, please.

TR

[RomanCandle]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Source, please.

TR

Here are two stories from MSM.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-mh17-vic...035913569.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/wo...aine.html?_r=0

One More: http://m.theaustralian.com.au/in-dep...afe65b042b5b4e

RT (yes I know) has myriad footage of residential areas in east Ukraine being shelled and civilian casualties, where the non- combatant death toll stands at over 1100. So I would think it unreasonable to deduce that the eastern Ukrainians would be bombing their own res areas.

I accept that many here may think that RT is merely a Russian mouthpiece. I would argue that the MSM we have here in the west is just as much so.

[akv]

Update at 4:05 p.m. ET.

The U.S. State Department has released satellite images it says back up the assertion by Washington and Kiev that Russian forces are firing artillery into eastern Ukraine in support of separatists.

In a four-page document titled Evidence of Russian Shelling into Ukraine, released Sunday, blast marks from rocket launches in Russia and craters in Ukraine can be seen, the State Department says.

The document also shows "self-propelled artillery only found in Russian military units, on the Russian side of the border, oriented in the direction of a Ukrainian military unit within Ukraine."

It also states that: "Russia-backed separatists have used heavy artillery, provided by Russia, in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine."

The images are attributed to the U.S. Director of National Intelligence and were taken between July 21 and July 26, officials say — days after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

According to The Associated Press, they "claim to show multiple rocket launchers fired at Ukrainian forces from within Ukraine and from Russian soil. One image shows dozens of craters around a Ukrainian military unit and rockets that can travel more than 7 miles."

The release of the satellite images comes after the U.S. said last week that it had obtained "new evidence" that Russian forces were firing artillery across the border, a charge that Kiev has made repeatedly and loudly in recent days.

It also comes as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly agreed in a telephone conversation Sunday on the importance of a cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, according to Reuters.

In a Russian Foreign Ministry statement carried by the news agency, Moscow describes the crisis in Ukraine as an "internal conflict."

A readout of the conversation issued by the State Department says Kerry "urged Foreign Minister Lavrov to stop the flow of heavy weapons and rocket and artillery fire from Russia into Ukraine, and to begin to contribute to deescalating the conflict."

The secretary of state "did not accept Foreign Minister Lavrov's denial that heavy weapons from Russia were contributing to the conflict," it said.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...itting-ukraine

[RomanCandle]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Why do they need UN permission and not just permission of the nation. Russia says they are not involved so it is a Ukrainian matter.

In the context of drawing a foreign nation into an internal conflict that foreign nation would probably not want to make any moves that could be seen as provocative and so would in all likelihood seek a UN Security Council Resolution. It would appear that no one in Europe is actively seeking any potential escalation with Russia and as of now there is absolutely no evidence forensic or otherwise linking either Russia or the rebels to the shooting down of MH17. They may say that they see it as a Ukrainian matter but clearly the Russians have interests there just as the USA feels it does thus the Dutch would surely weigh that up very carefully before acting without a UN Security Council Resolution.

[SpNkid]

Maybe somebody will be interested in the opinion of Donbass civilians about who's killing them. English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/NE18iPQ1Euk Hard. Very 18+.

Very typical episode of air strike on dwelling houses in Snizhne city, which occurred on the eve of the crash with Boeing, in almost the same area. It strongly motivates to shoot down any aircraft in the sky, if there is a technical possibility, and if to assume that Boeing was shot down by rebels.

Probably this film will soon disappear from YouTube.