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Para Warthog
I was reading through most of the handgun rags last night sippin' on some FFC (Frozen fag coffee) at the local outlet of the People's Bookstore (BooksAMillion) and came across an article on the Para Warthog .45.
Anyone here have any experience with this little .45? It holds 10+1 in what appears to be a very small package. I am thinking of adding a small frame, @3" barrel .45 to my carry options. 
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12-05-2004, 21:00
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My understanding is that it is smaller than the officers model or a Kimber Ultra. Would be fun to shoot (once or twice).
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12-05-2004, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Sacamuelas
I was reading through most of the handgun rags last night sippin' on some FFC (Frozen fag coffee) at the local outlet of the People's Bookstore (BooksAMillion) and came across an article on the Para Warthog .45.
Anyone here have any experience with this little .45? It holds 10+1 in what appears to be a very small package. I am thinking of adding a small frame, 3" barrel .45 to my carry options. |
I am a Para fan.
It is a renamed Para P-10, which is the only Para I have ever owned that wouldn't run out of the box. Mine went back to Para's US service center twice and to two local gunsmiths at least four times to the tune of several hundred dollars before it would run right. Even now, I don't completely trust it.
Apparently, Para realized that and is now marketing it under a different name to avoid its well-deserved rep.
It is a very small pistol, and once it runs, is about as much firepower as you can get in that sized package.
I would not buy one till I had seen it run for myself, though.
Just my .02, YMMV.
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12-05-2004, 21:14
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Well, coming from a Para man... that says a lot. Thanks for the info TR. I think I will look elsewhere.
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12-05-2004, 22:32
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
I am a Para fan.
It is a renamed Para P-10, which is the only Para I have ever owned that wouldn't run out of the box. Mine went back to Para's US service center twice and to two local gunsmiths at least four times to the tune of several hundred dollars before it would run right. Even now, I don't completely trust it.
Apparently, Para realized that and is now marketing it under a different name to avoid its well-deserved rep.
It is a very small pistol, and once it runs, is about as much firepower as you can get in that sized package.
I would not buy one till I had seen it run for myself, though.
Just my .02, YMMV.
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I know two guys who's experience closely mirrors yours. One guy sold his at a loss just to be rid of it and that was after spending and additional $500 with a smith and after Para replaced the original gun. If they could ever work out the kinks it would be an interesting CCW gun until then it is nothing more than a glorified paper weight IMHO.
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12-06-2004, 18:19
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Well, you asked, so I took a few pics.
Here it is with a fullsized P-14 and a Smith 642 snubbie.
See it beneath the 642?
What would you rather have in roughly the same sized package, 5 rounds of .38 Special, or 10 rounds of .45 ACP?
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12-06-2004, 19:39
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What would you rather have in roughly the same sized package, 5 rounds of .38 Special, or 10 rounds of .45 ACP?
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None of the above. I would take the Glock 29 and have ten rounds of full house 10MM in a small reliable package before I used the warthog or a snubie. I guess if it had to be a 45 and I couldn't used the small glock I would consider the Para if I could assure myself it wouldn't choke at the worst possible moment.
I had a noted 1911 smith tell me that they make their hay on 1911's with barrels under 4 inches. Since the slide is so light and it cycles so fast that your taking a chance on any of the compact 1911's.
Edited to note:
I wanted to make sure I wasn't talking out of my arse on this one so I got the measurements of both the Glock 30 (45) and the P-10 and they are almost identical.
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12-06-2004, 20:15
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None of the above. I would take the Glock 29 and have ten rounds of full house 10MM in a small reliable package before I used the warthog or a snubie. I guess if it had to be a 45 and I couldn't used the small glock I would consider the Para if I could assure myself it wouldn't choke at the worst possible moment.
I had a noted 1911 smith tell me that they make their hay on 1911's with barrels under 4 inches. Since the slide is so light and it cycles so fast that your taking a chance on any of the compact 1911's.
Edited to note:
I wanted to make sure I wasn't talking out of my arse on this one so I got the measurements of both the Glock 30 (45) and the P-10 and they are almost identical.
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Well, since you seem to want to jump in here with both feet, come on in.
1. Did you read my caveats to buying/carring a P-10/Warthog above? I believe that I made clear that it may, or may not be reliable, and caveat emptor.
2. Your 10mm (Lite) on a good day is about the same potency as a .40 S&W (+P). I'll take the .45 ACP, thanks, especially if I lived in a state where hollow-points were illegal. You ever fired at anyone with those pieces?
3. Your .45ACP Glock has a weak, unsupported chamber, so I could not use the LeMas I prefer for carry ammo. Runs fine in the Paras.
4. My P-12s and above all run fine out of the boxes. The P-10 is the only one I ever had trouble with. My Glock 23 is more reliable than my P-10, but less than my other Paras. Caveat emptor, remember?
5. The Glock slide is significantly bulkier, over .30" wider, and more than an inch longer, which by my carry permit, is a LOT bigger to carry than the P-10. I have fired both, holstered both, and laid them on top of one another to check. You shot or even carried the Para or the Glock much?
You carry what you want, and be happy with it.
Don't knock what you haven't tried, especially when your research is theoretical.
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