12-04-2004, 17:45
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Survival Kit Pouch
I am thinking about a dedicated, purpose-built pouch for a survival kit.
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12-04-2004, 17:50
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First or second line
How big is it going to be? Is this going to be first or second line gear? 
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12-04-2004, 18:26
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yes I agree.. although I stopped thinking about them and just BUILT one :-)
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12-04-2004, 20:19
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I'm still thinking. Which one is the one you built egg? BTW, you're doing this one too. 
1. First line - needs to be always with. Either belt mounted or built for a cargo pocket on pants. The new 5.11 stuff got me thinking. I'm thinking like a bail out of a vehicle under fire kind of thing. Not long term survival. An hour or two or whatever time it takes for the calvary to arrive. If its belt mounted, it needs to go on the rigger belt and horizontal.
2. Size dictated by the above.
3. Needs to hold a Pocket or WETSU-sized kit. A signal mirror (a real one).
4. Med stuff to treat maybe two GSW? No IVs.
What else?
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12-04-2004, 20:42
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'm still thinking. Which one is the one you built egg? BTW, you're doing this one too.
1. First line - needs to be always with. Either belt mounted or built for a cargo pocket on pants. The new 5.11 stuff got me thinking. I'm thinking like a bail out of a vehicle under fire kind of thing. Not long term survival. An hour or two or whatever time it takes for the calvary to arrive. If its belt mounted, it needs to go on the rigger belt and horizontal.
2. Size dictated by the above.
3. Needs to hold a Pocket or WETSU-sized kit. A signal mirror (a real one).
4. Med stuff to treat maybe two GSW? No IVs.
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Agreed.
I would add to the med and signal gear, a Leatherman or large folder, a Surefire light, at least one spare mag, and a cell phone/GPS.
Are we up to a Maxpedition Fatboy yet? 
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12-04-2004, 22:10
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NDD, if you're talking a bail-out type affair due to bad guys shooting at you, how about considering something like a fanny pack or the Kifaru E&E vice a small belt pouch? Sure they're bigger, but they could more easily hold the stuff you might need in that case, such as a few extra rifle mags (assuming you're not wearing full battle rattle, but maybe a 5.11 vest), a smoke and/or frag, a GPS, a small gunshot kit, some water, a small radio, and your pocket survival kit. Not sure if a CSM Gear large fanny (or a MOLLE II waist pack) would carry the various combinations of that list, but a Kifaru E&E would, yet it only measures approx. 15" x 9" x 3" (~1000ci). If you felt extra froggy, you could add some extra mag/frag/misc pockets to the outside via PALS for differing scenarios. If you're just tooling around on the range, it'd be handy for holding med supplies, a 100oz bladder and range tools/supplies. I have one, and its really handy for that need falling between belt pouch and HAWG-sized assault pack. Ooo, or maybe you could do the Tailgunner thing, or maybe just the top hood bandolier from an EMR with a sling. Either of those could be on the sling, so you rotate it in front of you in your lap while you're in a vehicle, and you simply swing it around to your side or behind you when you get out. Check out these pics from Kifaru to give you a better idea of what I'm babbling about.
E&E
http://www.kifaru.net/images/e&eON2.jpg
EMR top hood with sling
http://www.kifaru.net/images/MGbando5.jpg
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