12-01-2004, 01:31
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NGSF sponsoring IN 2LTs
Regular lurker here hoping to clear something up.
I'm an Infantry branched Cadet slated for National Guard duty as a 2LT in a few months. I've heard from some friends that the 19th and 20th SFG's will take a new IN 2LT under their wings, send him to IOBC/Ranger School and then to an Infantry NG unit deploying overseas. After overseas duty is completed(successfully) they will send him to SFAS as a 1LT.
I've searched for information on this topic(Google, PS, SOCNet) and wasn't able to confirm or deny this rumor. The best info I've read stated the obvious, that all NGSF officer applicants had to be 1LTs, but there was no information stating whether an NGSF group would sponsor a new 2LT through IOBC/Ranger(i.e. schedule OBC/Ranger classes and pay for them).
I appreciate any input or advice.
James
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12-01-2004, 04:18
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I doubt anything has changed in the last 20 years, they didn't do it then. Why would the Guard pay for a 2d LT to do all those things for another unit when they can just grab one 1st and start using him right off the bat?
Sounds like rumor but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to clarify.
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12-01-2004, 07:09
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My friends and I talked about that and were told that some NGSF Battalions are having problems getting quality officers in the Guard to come over to tryout for SF. The ones that do request to join and go to SFAS usually are lacking credible Platoon Leader time, physical fitness and simply aren't making through selection. Many of the NGSF ODA's(along with Active SFGs too) lack officers is what we were told.
So this is where the rumor kicks in, some Commanders are interviewing newly commissioned NG 2LTs that have a high PT score, good recommendations, etc and guiding them along the right path so that by the time they do get to be a 1LT, they have experience and the right stuff to go on to selection.
But I'll stop talking about rumors now and wait for someone with actual facts to set me straight.
Thanks in advance,
James
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12-01-2004, 08:23
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Just a general observation, but while some of the best officer students I have ever seen are from the Guard Groups, they also seem to send a disporportionate percentage of less intelligent, less fit, poor creds, dubiously dedicated to SF, and frankly, just OLD officers to SFAS.
IMHO, the best way for the Guard to get good Detachment Officers would be to recruit them from separating SF CPTs as they leave AD.
Most 18A CPTs would kill to get another several years on an ODA.
YMMV.
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12-01-2004, 09:11
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ROTCNY, you are correct to view this with some scepticism. It sounds like rumor to me also. I suggest that you call some units and speak with the commanders, if possible. Some commanders will work with you more than others, too. One thing is for sure, you will have to impress the hell out of a commander to make him go to bat for you.
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12-01-2004, 09:26
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Just a general observation, but while some of the best officer students I have ever seen are from the Guard Groups, they also seem to send a disporportionate percentage of less intelligent, less fit, poor creds, dubiously dedicated to SF, and frankly, just OLD officers to SFAS.
IMHO, the best way for the Guard to get good Detachment Officers would be to recruit them from separating SF CPTs as they leave AD.
Most 18A CPTs would kill to get another several years on an ODA.
YMMV.
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An SF Major I had lunch with a few weeks ago said that if he had an option to be honorably discharged after 5 more years on an ODA he would do it (and hes career moving to area commander). It's the reason I'm enlisting and not doing the ROTC program here.
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12-05-2004, 10:39
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Subjective: Question regarding NG Unit "sponsoring" a soldier from another unit.
Objective: See thread.
Assessment: In my limited experience, the SF company I am assigned to does not offer formal training opportunities (outside of "the pipeline") to those not assigned to the unit (eg. ODB soldiers) or non-SF qualified soldiers (the rest of us sluggos).
IMHO it makes little sense to send a soldier assigned/"owned" by another unit to training or overseas deployments; injuries happen, and a soldier's goals may change (especially after the joys of deployment and combat). It simply is not a good investment.
I cannot and will not speak for the commander's, Sergeant Major's, or "selection board" criteria. However, I know a *few* LT's have made it onto C 1/20's Training Team and into the pipeline. Keep in mind they "belong" to the SF company, and not another unit.
Plan: I suggest calling NG SF companies for the answer. The contact information is posted on this website. C 1/20 SFG (Springfield, MA) phone #'s is supposed to change in the coming week. You'll have to call Massachusetts NG HQ for the # at that point.
I hope this helped.
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Last edited by daquat; 12-05-2004 at 10:45.
Reason: Punctuation correction.
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