03-16-2013, 17:06
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A cherry mistake MOO.
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03-16-2013, 17:15
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I wouldn't worry too much about that guy .... it's the fella with the shotgun that I'd be looking at.
If he let loose a shot in the position he's in, in that photo, he'd be in one rude wake up.
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03-16-2013, 17:43
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Stand off ended fine because of FBI's HRT
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Originally Posted by DocIllinois
The standoff ended with the gunman killed and no one else hurt.
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Stand off ended fine because of FBI's HRT.
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03-16-2013, 17:59
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Don't you normally test fire a rifle after making a change?
I am trying not to be too judgmental. I have done more stupid things in my life then I care to think about. I am grateful that there was no one around with cameras when I did them (that I know of at least). I even put peep sights backwards on a 10/22 once. I never noticed what I had done until I went to shoot the weapon.
But to my mind, putting a new sight on a rifle and test firing it goes hand and hand. I normally do one right after the other and I assume I am not alone. How do you go to hostage rescue with a rifle you have not test fired? And how do you test fire a rifle without figuring out that the sight is on backwards? And how do you get on to a Swat Team by being as big an idiot as Ape Man?
At any rate, trying to zero the rifle was how I figured out that I was an idiot with the 10/22. If the fella in the picture had tested his weapon maybe he would have figured out before the cameras caught him.
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03-16-2013, 18:29
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If your primary personal weapon is fucked up you are fucked up.
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03-16-2013, 19:26
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Other photos of the same guy
This is one photo of the guy.
And here is another.
It would be nice if these where Photoshopped. But I am having a hard time believing that.
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03-17-2013, 19:28
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Guerrilla Chief
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Interesting, I check my rifle under controlled conditions and dirty the barrel at minimum every two weeks if its being used, more so for even a lot number change, let alone a good tumble.
After spending a weekend with an ex-pro football player whom they were interested in, sounded to me like they were quite exceptional at their job. Meaning: The probability of it ending well for you if they showed up would be zero, unless of course you gave up.
Must of been because of the sequester...
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03-16-2013, 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brush Okie
Amen. Notice the other idiot with his finger on the trigger of the shotgun while it looks to be pointing at the vehicle with a very interesting hold. Jesus their training office should be put up on criminal charges.
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Exactly may thoughts.
What are the odds the only 3 incompetent individuals were captured in pictures behind the one vehicle?
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03-16-2013, 22:20
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I had to know
When I saw this photo I wondered "what does he see?" So I pulled out my trusty AR and removed my EO-Tech sight. Through the correct side was the characteristic 1MOA dot surrounded by the the 65MOA circle. When I looked through the other side; I saw Elvis
Seriously, mounted in the fashion our fine officer has chosen, you have holographic nothing--a piece of empty glass to gaze through.
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03-16-2013, 18:31
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Cut the man some slack, he and his comrades are a highly trained, well disciplined, professional police force sent to protect you and your children in case of armed lunatic on rampage.
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03-16-2013, 18:40
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Aside from the backwards sight, is it possible this photo was staged?
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03-16-2013, 19:14
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That was my hope.
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Originally Posted by 69harley
Aside from the backwards sight, is it possible this photo was staged?
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That was my hope. But I poked around and found the original source. Upper right corner is the video the still shot was taken from.
Call me naive, but I don't think Upstate NY TV stations have stooped to Photoshopping stuff to make the local police force look bad. For one thing, I don't think the TV reporters would know enough to know which end was which even if they did want to make them look bad.
Now if it was CNN.....
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03-17-2013, 06:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 69harley
Aside from the backwards sight, is it possible this photo was staged?
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And why would he stage a photo like that???? What is e logic in that ?
It is one thing doing stupid photos with the guys on a range but during an live standoff? Earth to Harley come in,!!!!!!!
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03-17-2013, 15:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocIllinois
So, what's being stated with this thread? That HRT is incompetent? That their record of botched standoffs can now be explained?

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I am not sure what you are referring to. The the hero with the backwards sight was not HRT.
I was pointing out HRT involvement to explain why it went as well as it did given some of the people involved.
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