NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

[BMT (RIP)]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25...olice-gunfire/

Mayor probably does not allow range time as it's too violent!!

BMT

[Dusty]

Doomberg lets his cops have guns?

[PRB]

WE, the US Army, thru JTF6 built a great range complex for the NY cops when Guiliani was Mayor.
Prior to that they had to qualify on a 15 meter target range once a year...I believe it was 50 rounds, offhand, standing straight up with a two hand grip...no time limit.....no stress...
I don't know it they use the shoot house we built (their equipment and material...we provided the 12B's)...nice deal with city streets, stop lights and 3 story buildings.
That 'train like you fight' MTT may have to redo it's POI.

[mojaveman]

If New York is anything like California those folks who were wounded are going to be padding their bank accounts pretty soon.

[AntMan]

Originally Posted by mojaveman

If New York is anything like California those folks who were wounded are going to be padding their bank accounts pretty soon.

And at the expense of the tax payer to boot. This is one time, I don't blame them for sewing the city. There is absolutely no excuse for this.

[Richard]

NYPD Training Bureau | Police Academy l Firearms and Tactics Training

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/tr...m_tatics.shtml

Evaluation of the New York City Police Department Firearm Training and Firearm-Discharge Review Process
Rand Center On Quality Policing, 2008

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2008/RAND_MG717.pdf

Richard

[Team Sergeant]

Inexcusable and gross criminal negligence.

I'm sure their actions will be defended by the idiot mayor. As a former bodyguard to the American Ambassador and a Senator I can say without a doubt you don't shoot into the crowd and pray you hit the bad man. You close with the badman to a distance you know you will hit him without hitting bystanders.

I see some very major lawsuits coming from this shooting.

Inexcusable and gross criminal negligence.

[Ape Man]

For those without the time to read Richard's links the following quote from the Rand report captures the basic problem...

NYPD officers are required to requalify on their firearms twice a year. While
the requalification course meets the standards required by New York and is consistent with national norms, shooting at paper targets on a known-distance range does not demonstrate that the officer has mastered his or her firearm and is ready for a shooting confrontation on the streets. While the NYPD has several advanced ranges that better prepare officers for confrontations that may involve firearms, the size of the department and logistical considerations prevent them from being used as part of the semiannual requalification program for the vast majority of officers.