Homeland Security to Border Patrol: Run and Hide

Latest training tells Border Patrol to run and hide from "active shooter."

They don't really need guns, do they now?

Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29...#ixzz1zFD4IUwo

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29...est=latestnews

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[Badger52]

The parent company probably didn't intend that general version of their active-shooter guidelines to get to people who're normally armed. Maybe they should've shared their "If you see something, say something" literature with more folks in the ATF....

The essence of that TP-worthy publication is as described though. Alot of folks who work on military bases are even more irritated than the armed elite since, as Ft Hood showed, "when seconds count the police are minutes away." * If they obeyed the regs their legally owned & carried personal handgun is cleared & locked in the vehicle while they're at work, waiting for the next white-robed purveyor of "workplace violence."

(I've wondered how far Hasan would've gotten in an IDF SRC...)


* not a disparaging of the LE community, it just is what it is.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Latest training tells Border Patrol to run and hide from "active shooter."

They don't really need guns, do they now?

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."Attachment 22446

Am a civilian, so pardon my ignorance here....but WHY would they issue this decree in an, "Active Shooter" course?

Makes zero sense to me.

Are they, (DHS) just stupid?

Holly

[MR2]

Originally Posted by echoes

Am a civilian, so pardon my ignorance here....but WHY would they issue this decree in an, "Active Shooter" course?

Makes zero sense to me.

Are they, (DHS) just stupid?

Yes.

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[greenberetTFS]

It's absolutely frightening how f**ked up that group is and we owe it all to Janet's brillant leadership.....

Big Teddy

[echoes]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

It's absolutely frightening how f**ked up that group is and we owe it all to Janet's brillant leadership...

Big Teddy

Wonder if She has ever even been down to the border? (Taking bets here...)

Wow...just plain wow. What a total and complete disreguard for American lives.

Amazing....

Holly

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by echoes

Wonder if She has ever even been down to the border? (Taking bets here...)

Wow...just plain wow.

Oh, I think Big Sis...never mind.

Wake me when this nightmare is over.

Originally Posted by echoes

Am a civilian, so pardon my ignorance here....but WHY would they issue this decree in an, "Active Shooter" course?

Makes zero sense to me.

Are they, (DHS) just stupid?

Holly

I don't think they are as concerned with the "Active Shooter" as they are with the weapon(s) that might be used in this situation. Afterall thousands of weapons just went south of the border. If you ask me, they are just trying to minimize anymore deaths/shootings related to Fast and Furious.

Obviously it is not an attempt to save victims lives, it is an attempt to allow the "Active Shooter" to get away, with the weapon. Just my take on it, though.

[GratefulCitizen]

The message to criminals is loud and clear:
Carry a gun, use it.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Obviously it is not an attempt to save victims lives, it is an attempt to allow the "Active Shooter" to get away, with the weapon. Just my take on it, though.

So, am curious and concerned....what message this really sends to Our BP Agents?

Do they loose morale and think the American Public doesn't give a sh*t that Our Big O government is sending them out on patrol, with their hands tied behind their backs?

Scary. Just scary if you think about it...those charged with protecting us...with handcuffs on instead of guns in their well-trained hands. Thank you Big O and your STUPIDITY!

Holly

Originally Posted by echoes

So, am curious and concerned....what message this really sends to Our BP Agents?

Do they loose morale and think the American Public doesn't give a sh*t that Our Big O government is sending them out on patrol, with their hands tied behind their backs?

Scary. Just scary if you think about it...those charged with protecting us...with handcuffs on instead of guns in their well-trained hands. Thank you Big O and your STUPIDITY!

Holly

I think it is pretty much like Bordercop explained it. They have a duty to protect citizens that they take very seriously. They will act rightously, justly, and smile ear to ear in front of the disciplinary review board should it come to that. I don't wish for an LEO to be in that situation, as LE work is inherently dangerous, but I am certain many have made up their minds the day they put the badge on, and they will use deadly force where applicable.

Besides, the training is for an "Active Shooter," and not "Active ShooterS" (plural), how can an LEO be certain there isn't more than one until the shooting is over?