06-09-2012, 03:19
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The US Will Re-Open Massive Philippine Bases ....
The US Will Re-Open Massive Philippine Bases Not Occupied Since The Cold War
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-u...#ixzz1xHnRlzJH
"With the U.S. moving the majority of its naval fleet to the Pacific, commanders are eagerly looking for invitations to park the planes and ships that will be pouring into the region.
Travis Tritten at Stars and Stripes reports that the Pentagon has apparently been fanning the old flame of friendship with the Philippines and will be re-opening two bases it left in 1991 — Subic Bay and Clark Air Base...................."
Subic Bay & Clark AFB? Now that assignment beats the hell out of the middle east.
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06-09-2012, 05:10
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The 'parking lot' at Guam must be full. 
Olongapo and Angeles City - you young ME oriented guys don't know what you've missed. 
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06-09-2012, 07:11
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What's it going to cost us?
How will China react?
Will we still have sufficient conventional capability to counter-react if China takes it poorly?
Competing (in the "game of nations" which BTW includes presenting a credible threat of exercising the military option) with no intention of winning is criminal. The current administration isn't about America and the State Department has never been about winning.
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06-09-2012, 07:21
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...The current administration isn't about America and the State Department has never been about winning.
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Well said Brother.
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06-09-2012, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
What's it going to cost us?
How will China react?
Will we still have sufficient conventional capability to counter-react if China takes it poorly?
Competing (in the "game of nations" which BTW includes presenting a credible threat of exercising the military option) with no intention of winning is criminal. The current administration isn't about America and the State Department has never been about winning.
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Very good point........ 
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06-09-2012, 10:08
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Subic and Clark? I see many Hapa babies in the future...
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06-09-2012, 11:08
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The Phillippines - the nearly forgotten campaign in the GWOT.
Its proximity to China, Vietnam, and Malaysia via the South China Sea, and access to the Moluccan Straits and IO makes it an important strategic location.
I can see regaining Subic/Cubi Point as a joint base for the USN, USAF, and the USMC (the MEF being withdrawn from Okie) - not so much Clark, though, which still lies in the shadow of Mount Pinatubo.
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Based on my personal experiences (especially with the likes of Ambassador Vernon Walters) and studies, I disagree...but it does vary quite a bit from ambassador to ambassador, charge' to charge', SecState to SecState, and Administration to Administration.
And so it goes...
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06-09-2012, 12:27
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The former Clark AFB has a resort hotel, two casinos, a golf course, duty free shops, etc. I believe Subic has seen the same sort of private entity investment...I will defer to others who have a more up-to-date and intimate knowledge...
It will be interesting to see if this US military revival pans out and if we are welcomed back with open arms, since it was the Philippine government who nixed the last treaty and kicked us out...we would have to have an airtight long term base use agreement to make it worth us sinking tens of millions of dollars back into the PI...
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06-10-2012, 20:56
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Another People's War?
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
What's it going to cost us?
How will China react?
Will we still have sufficient conventional capability to counter-react if China takes it poorly?
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Although US-Chinese relations are based primarily around multi-lateral economic security, I wouldn't put it past the PRC to make a power play if they feel threatened.
Maybe something like what Russia did with Georgia when they saw we were bogged down elsewhere? They could feel NATO encircling them so they made a play to show those countries in their sphere of influence that the US couldn't defend all of them.
There's a fairly prolific group of older officials who have been trying to push pro-Mao policies recently. And one of his favorites was "The People's War" strategy--throw millions of Chinese soldiers out there and bleed the enemy dry. Sort of the mindset of, "no matter how many of us you kill, we've got more where they came from." It's the strategy they used during the Korean War, their "liberation" of Tibet in the early '50s, and it's the strategy they were posturing to use with Vietnam.
Things are certain to get more tense with our shifting of Naval forces to PACOM, opening bases in the Phillipines will enliven things even more.
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06-09-2012, 10:55
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Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) warned us that Guam could flip-over with all that "stuff" being put on it.
They must be taking him seriously.
( Video here)
(At :1:24 - 1:52)
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