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Old 05-11-2012, 05:28   #1
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Military class suspended for view on Islam

I think someone should buy Lt Col Dooley a beer..

And help him find a new job...


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WASHINGTON – A course for U.S. military officers has been teaching that America's enemy is Islam in general, not just terrorists, and suggesting that the country might ultimately have to obliterate the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina without regard for civilian deaths, following World War II precedents of the nuclear attack on Hiroshima or the allied firebombing of Dresden.

The Pentagon suspended the course in late April when a student objected to the material. The FBI also changed some agent training last year after discovering that it, too, was critical of Islam.

The teaching in the military course was counter to repeated assertions by U.S. officials over the last decade that the U.S. is at war against Islamic extremists — not the religion.

"They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you submit," the instructor, Army. Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, said in a presentation last July for the course at Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Va. The college, for professional military members, teaches midlevel officers and government civilians on subjects related to planning and executing war.

Dooley also presumed, for the purposes of his theoretical war plan, that the Geneva Conventions that set standards of armed conflict, are "no longer relevant."

He adds: "This would leave open the option once again of taking war to a civilian population wherever necessary (the historical precedents of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki being applicable...)."

His war plan suggests possible outcomes such as "Saudi Arabia threatened with starvation ... Islam reduced to cult status," and the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia "destroyed."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10...#ixzz1uYeJXYtD

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10...view-on-islam/
Here is Lt Col Dooley's presentation in PDF format..

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/da...design_v11.pdf
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:40   #2
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"theoretical war plan"

I think thats the key phrase here, and I agree someone should buy him a beer. I guess he missed the lecture about getting them to like us.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:55   #3
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Our new Army Chief of Staff - General Dempsey himself - canked this class and initiated the review of purging anti-Islamic materials from our professional development courses. Where do we get these guys...?? Is there some sort of "refresher-lobotomy" required when you achieve a certain 'status"?? Has he not been aware of the fight we've been in the last 33 years??

But I guess he fits right in with the current administration - with thinking like this, we are doomed as a Nation.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:08   #4
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Islam has been at war with every other religion since the they razed northern Africa and southern Europe in the 7th Century.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:02   #5
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Our new Army Chief of Staff - General Dempsey himself - canked this class and initiated the review of purging anti-Islamic materials from our professional development courses. Where do we get these guys...?? Is there some sort of "refresher-lobotomy" required when you achieve a certain 'status"?? Has he not been aware of the fight we've been in the last 33 years??

But I guess he fits right in with the current administration - with thinking like this, we are doomed as a Nation.
Well at least your CoS hasn't revamped the checklist for billeting rooms in which the Bible does not need to be replaced if found missing, because someone claimed they were offended by them
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:20   #6
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Is America's enemy really Islam though, or just radical Islam/Islamic extremists? The Islamic extremists commit so much of the violence, that they give the whole religion a bad name which can make people skeptical about the idea of a large number of peaceful Muslims out there, but what if those really exist? I think the U.S. should always distinguish between the radicals of a religion and the peaceful portions of it. This can be tricky as I've heard of some polls conducted where they found that many peaceful Muslims approve of the actions of the radicals, meaning there is a difference between "peaceful" Muslims who simply do not commit violent acts, but otherwise are okay with them, versus I guess what you could call "liberal Muslims" (in the classical sense) who respect human rights and freedoms and other religions. For example, in Michael Durant's book "In the Company of Heroes," he writes about how the guy who took care of him was a Muslim, and read the Koran, but gave him a Bible and respected him for his religion.



Could someone claim to be offended by the Koran?

I also found this link on the side of the articles linked to hilarious: Developer Plans 200-Foot Tall Cross in Missouri

A very logical and rational statement, and I concur. Fundamentalists of any religion give that religion a bad name. It is up to the moderates of those religions to marginalize the effectiveness and overshadow the message(s) of the fundamentalists. This is something that moderate Muslims have failed to do in epic fashion but that isn't an excuse to bash the whole religion.
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Old 05-11-2012, 16:35   #7
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I thought we were encouraging people to think outside the box?

Were the German people accountable for the sins of the Nazis?

Did we force them to pay for the Nazis, regardless of whether they were or not?

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Old 06-20-2012, 13:55   #8
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Joint Forces Staff College Instructor Suspended for Course on Islam

We are once again admonished that Al Qaeda and Jihadists have a 'warped view of the Islamic faith.' CPT Kirby, perhaps you could explain where they have strayed from the proper view of Islam and how so many others seem to follow this 'warped view' of Islam. What is the proper view of Islam? Does it differ from that of Al Azhar University?

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The instructor of a college course that taught top military officers the United States was at war with Islam has been relieved of teaching duties and the course ordered redesigned to reflect U.S. policy, a military spokesman said on Wednesday.

The elective course at the National Defense University's Joint Forces Staff College included a slide that asserted "the United States is at war with Islam and we ought to just recognize that we are war with Islam," Pentagon officials said in April as they launched a review of the course...

...Navy Captain John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said in April that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta was deeply concerned about some of the materials being taught in the course, such as the slide suggesting the United States was at war with Islam.

"That's not at all what we believe to be the case. We're at war against terrorism, specifically al Qaeda, who has a warped view of the Islamic faith," Kirby said.

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Old 06-20-2012, 14:08   #9
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"That's not at all what we believe to be the case. We're at war against terrorism, specifically al Qaeda, who has a warped view of the Islamic faith," Kirby said.
I would like for someone to explain in detail, utilizing the Qur’an, the Hadith, and Shariah, how AQ has warped the Islamic Faith?

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Old 06-20-2012, 20:05   #10
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And this is how we keep losing conflicts.

Our entire military command needs a Sun Tzu refresher....
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Old 10-05-2012, 22:58   #11
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"The final bastion of America's defense against Islamic jihad and sharia, the Pentagon, fell to the enemy in April 2012, with the issuance of a letter from General Martin E. Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, re-issuing his earlier order that all Department of Defense (DoD) course content be scrubbed to ensure no lingering remnant of disrespect to Islam." ~Claire M. Lopez~

It appears CAIR has infiltrated the highest levels of the White House and the Pentagon

http://www.thomasmore.org/sites/defa...2011%20(3).pdf

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Muslim Letter that Prompted the Pentagon to Purge Military Instruction “Offensive to Islam”
September 26, 2012

A letter dated October 19, 2011 signed by 57 Muslim organizations, was sent to the White House with copies to other federal officials responsible for national security, including Secretary of the Department of Defense, Leon Panetta. The letter demanded that all training materials that they judge to be offensive to Islam be "purged" and instructors "are effectively disciplined."

Because many reporters and citizens have asked for a copy of the letter, TMLC is linking to the 7-page letter here, and attaching it to this press release as well. You may also view it by going to the TMLC website at: www.thomasmore.org. Note the highlighted areas on page 5 of the letter.

> http://www.thomasmore.org/sites/defa...2011%20(3).pdf

This letter was referred to in a previous Thomas More Law Center press release. Click here.
Following that letter, in April 2012, Army Lieutenant Colonel (LTC) Matthew Dooley, a highly decorated combat veteran, was publically condemned by General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and relieved of his teaching assignment at the Joint Forces Staff College (JFSC). The reason: the negative way Islam was portrayed in his elective course entitled, Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism.

On May 10, 2012, during a Pentagon press conference with Defense Secretary Panetta seated next to him, General Martin Dempsey expressed negative opinions regarding the Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism course, characterizing it as "totally objectionable" and "against our values." General Dempsey personally committed to removing any similar curriculum from military professional education within the JFSC and elsewhere.

The Thomas More Law Center now represents LTC Dooley, a 1994 Graduate of the U. S. Military Academy at West Point.

Click here to support TMLC's defense of LTC Dooley.

Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, observed, "In order to appease Muslims and the White House, General Dempsey and the Department of Defense rushed to punish LTC Dooley. In the process, they violated not only our Nation's core principles of free speech and academic freedom guaranteed by our Constitution, but also, a number of the military's own regulations dealing with academic freedom and non-attribution policies of the National Defense University (NDU) to which LTC Dooley was assigned. They violated the right to due process of law and even by-passed the University's Provost, who under NDU's own rules has primary responsibility for adjudication of this matter."

Click here for a Summary of NDU regulations on Free Speech and Academic Freedom
Source: http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...o-islam?f=news

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