Police chiefs meet at WH on homegrown terror fight

[Paslode]

Better stop speaking out about the government on the internet, buying guns and ammo...

Posted on Wed, Jan. 18, 2012
Police chiefs meet at WH on homegrown terror fight
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press

State and local law enforcement officials convened at the White House on Wednesday for a daylong discussion about how police can maintain the trust of their communities while identifying and preventing violent extremism and homegrown terrorism - an effort the administration considers critical to national security.

It's a delicate balance, as the violent extremism that has erupted across the U.S. in the past few years has been motivated by an ideology, whether a violent interpretation of Islam or white supremacist beliefs. Ideologies in and of themselves are not illegal. But police now find themselves struggling with identifying the ideologues who plan to commit violence among the many others who hold similar beliefs but have no intention of hurting anyone.

"Where do you draw the line between what they say and what they do," Cambridge, Mass., Police Commissioner Robert Haas said in an interview during a break. Police can't be seen as violating the trust they've built in local communities to ferret out information that potentially could prevent an attack, he said. Haas was one of the 46 senior federal, state and local law enforcement officials who participated in the event that was closed to the public.

The conference marked the first time the Obama administration hosted a meeting with so many of the nation's top law enforcement executives on how to counter violent extremism.

"The important role of local law enforcement is a key part of the administration's approach to countering violent extremism in the homeland," President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, said. "Law enforcement officials work with communities every day and understand how to build partnerships to address this tough challenge."

There has been an uptick in attempted attacks by Americans and other legal U.S. residents in the past few years, prompting the Obama administration to place a priority on finding ways to stop this type of violence. The administration rolled out a thin strategy last year that put local communities - not Washington - in charge of countering violent extremism in the U.S.

Analysts from the FBI, Homeland Security Department and National Counterterrorism Center studied 62 cases of homegrown violent extremists and identified basic similarities that might help local law enforcement better understand and detect threats. The warning signs identified for police include someone joining a group advocating violence, receiving support from a network that plans attacks or seeking out charismatic leaders who encourage violence. An overview of the findings was shared with the AP.

In the 62 cases reviewed, the subjects increasingly spoke out against the government, blamed the government for perceived problems and did so in a way that caught the attention of other people in their communities, according to the senior counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private White House event. Subjects became active on the Internet to espouse extremist views. And in some cases, the subjects purchased weapons, ammunition or explosive materials.

Analysts also found that a person's origin, ethnic background and socioeconomic status are not good indicators for potential violent extremist activity, the senior counterterrorism official said.

That finding is key, as the FBI came under fire last year for some controversial training sessions that focused on Islam and portrayed it as a violent religion. And the New York Police Department also has been criticized for singling out Muslim communities and collecting information about their daily lives, in some cases without any indication of criminal activity.

The White House has encouraged law enforcement to reach out to Muslim communities to build relationships, insisting that these communities are partners in the fight against terrorism. At the same time, law enforcement has stepped up investigative efforts to stave off attacks.

In the decade since the September 2001 attacks, New York government officials have done just that: They've met with Muslim leaders, exchanged cellphone numbers, attended religious services, dinners and teas, and spoken at community meetings. As the only U.S. city that al-Qaida has successfully attacked twice and continues to be the target of terror plots, New York also has the most aggressive local police department investigating terrorism, and this duality of missions has caused tension in the city's Muslim communities, where many people have lost trust in the police and wonder whether they are partners in the fight against terrorism or terror suspects.

While the White House conference did not broach the issues between the NYPD and New York's Muslim community, the consistent message was that police can't violate public trust, Haas said. Communities that have solid relationships with the police feel empowered to come forward with tips about suspicious activity, Haas said.

"We don't want to be seen as taking a step back and violating that trust that we have with folks," he said.

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[Penn]

Its VERY broad, what I find interesting is the increasingly expansive nature, the inclusiveness of all to prevent decent.

distributive justice ( a democratic ideal ) linked to political silence of the populace (a totalitarian imperative in order to rule)

―the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to
intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any
segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.‖
(DoJ, including FBI).

[Penn]

I should follow that up. First, I would not know how address/advise the current Congressional leaders on a legal response to terrorism that was substantive, that specifically could practically, institutionally, be correct-which I think translates as the legal framework, and which is politically aligned with our sentiment, sensibilities concerning personal freedom and expression. What should Congress do?

[Pete]

.......as you ignore the elephant in the room don't be surprised if you get trampled.

"..........Analysts also found that a person's origin, ethnic background and socioeconomic status are not good indicators for potential violent extremist activity, the senior counterterrorism official said.

That finding is key, as the FBI came under fire last year for some controversial training sessions that focused on Islam and portrayed it as a violent religion. ........"

[ddoering]

You three have made "the list."

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Penn

Its VERY broad, what I find interesting is the increasingly expansive nature, the inclusiveness of all to prevent decent.

distributive justice ( a democratic ideal ) linked to political silence of the populace (a totalitarian imperative in order to rule)

―the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to
intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any
segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.‖
(DoJ, including FBI).

That that is what crossed my mind when you add TSA, If you see something, Say something campaign, NDAA, SOPA and PIPA to the mix. It looks like another another nail in the coffin so to speak.

And as Pete pointed out, ethnic and socioeconomic are no longer good indicators of who is a bad guy.......I would speculate that this is because the government is pissing off an increasing number of people in every walk of life.



I find it quite ironic and worrisome that our government appears increasing worried about The People taking to the streets and they the Government is taking measure to prevent it from happening....while at the same time our very own Government endorses and assists the same behavior in other countries through productions such as as the Arab Spring.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I find it quite ironic and worrisome that our government appears increasing worried about The People taking to the streets and they the Government is taking measure to prevent it from happening....

Actually, I absolutely expected nothing less from such an administration.

[Penn]

the government is pissing off an increasing number of people in every walk of life

The Government is the "socio-elite political class and those that support it", both parties. It really doesn't matter who you vote for, in the end you are going to have to choose sides, the SE will waive the patriot flag and all it represents, to lure you in, don't be fooled, they have killed enough of us under that banner.

Thomas Paine refers to it as "Aristocratic tyranny". In that sense, I cannot see myself defending Barry Frank’s right to life, or Mitt Romney's pretense, or Pelosi idea of distributive justice. Especially, as her husband’s $751MM dollar contract examples everything that in unjust and unfair; while we have to hold fundraiser to care for our Brothers horrendously wounded, or care for their sons and daughters as an unspoken promise keep between Brothers, who believe in the propaganda of an honor code. A code, which is used as a weapon against us by the socio-elite to remain in power. If we believe in what they say we will defend them, even if it is against our best interest.


This visceral anger is what the "socio-elite political class” was reacting to through their spoke person Janet Napolitano, when she referenced that the threat to America would be its returning Combat Veterans. The shit storms that follow those remarks were appreciated, but the truth is it established the consciousness in the public that veterans could be and will be a threat. That release has a specific purpose, and that is stage programming of the populace: “If you see something, if you suspect something, report it”! Conditioning; conformity, submission, make no mistake we are on a collision course…

[Richard]

Preppin' for the return of Coxey's Army...

And so it goes...

Richard