Remington ACR or DSA SA58?

[Arma Viri]

Gentlemen,

Since I'm new to this website let me introduce myself briefly before I start my first thread.

I am a student located in The Netherlands. I'm working on a bachelors degree in history, which I need in order to do a masters in military science. I did part of my training at the Royal Netherlands Military Academy and will attend the Netherlands Defense University during masters. I have no service experience.

I'd like to hear the opinion of the 'men on the ground' regarding two weapon systems.
Would you either prefer the Remington ACR in 6.8SPC or the DSA SA58 in 7.62? From what I understood, 6.8SPC was developed by SOCOM, with Remington providing the hardware infrastructure. You probably all know of the reports and claims made on the internet about 6.8 being superior to both 5.56 and 7.62 in the carbine/rifle role (flatter trajectory, better terminal ballistics etc). First of all, is this actually true, does any of you have any experience with 6.8? And secondly, would any of you still prefer 7.62 in most situations considering lessons learned in Iraq and A'stan? What is the better weapon system and caliber in your book?


DSA FAL-SA58 links

www.dsarms.com/products.asp?dept=8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmJhF...eature=related

Remington ACR links

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/Rem...bines/ACR.aspx

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoa-rJkHReM

[DevilSide]

You forgot to post an introduction Its the first thing you do before you post, go back to your email and re-read.

[Arma Viri]

Originally Posted by DevilSide

You forgot to post an introduction Its the first thing you do before you post, go back to your email and re-read.

Mea culpa. I read http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...ad.php?t=11578 but put to much emphasis on the 'Everyone does not need their own personal thread for introductions.' I'll post my introduction in the proper section.

[DbeforeD]

I was under the impression that DSA was an import company for civilian sales in the States, like Century Arms.

As a munitions guy, I don’t see the American Military adopting a different cartridge anytime soon. I could be wrong.

As a recreational shooter, I prefer the ballistics of my 7.62 to my father’s 6.8. But then again, paper doesn’t move or fire back.

[MVP]

LOL

MVP

[Arma Viri]

Originally Posted by DbeforeD

I was under the impression that DSA was an import company for civilian sales in the States, like Century Arms.

As a munitions guy, I don’t see the American Military adopting a different cartridge anytime soon. I could be wrong.

As a recreational shooter, I prefer the ballistics of my 7.62 to my father’s 6.8. But then again, paper doesn’t move or fire back.

From what I understand 7.62mmx51 is kind of sacred in the US, ey? Someone on the M4carbine forum claims that 6.8 has 80% of 7.62s' capabilities, but I'm sceptic about what I read on the internet because that is information that has been fed down to 'second hand' if you get my drift. I'd like to see some objective test reports based on an official military trial of 6.8 cartridges form various suppliers (Hornady, Remington etc) and a variety of 7.62 cartridges from Federal, Black Hills etc. Let the professionals from SOCOM conduct the comparison trial and make their findings public. But I'm pretty much sure they love the SPC, for they developed it themselves! It was designed from the bottom up to specifically answer their requirements. 7.62, although a very powerful round, is heavy. What you need is a good balance between mobility and firepower. But then again, that isn't a solid argument when taking the 240 gunners into account. It would make more sense to stick with one single round: 7.62, in order to have a simplified logistics chain all the way up to corps/command level. 7.62 is far from obsolete! It is here and here to stay. But if one took a close look at the SA58 and the ACR, the winner on the ergonmics side is the ACR. I really like that ambidextrous charging handle placed where it should be, as well as the different stocks and modularity Magpul/Bushmaster offer. I somehow have this feeling that the ACR just has and does it all. Remington is currently updating the ACR and has it down to around 6.4 ibs already. (I know that for sure from an inside contact and I can prove it). As far as I'm concerned 5.56 is a no-go in urban and open area like A'stan (lessons learned...) so that makes 6.8 / 7.62 a no-brainer. The only question is: what is the ideal platform?

[Sacamuelas]

Arma Viri.... do a couple of searches on this site for 6.8, etc. Your question has been answered/discussed multiple times in different threads. Read them.

Originally Posted by Arma Viri

Gentlemen,
I am a student located in The Netherlands. I have no service experience.

yet you then post things like:

As far as I'm concerned 5.56 is a no-go in urban and open area like A'stan (lessons learned...) so that makes 6.8 / 7.62 a no-brainer.

for example: The opinion above this usually brings unwanted attention on this site. You already stated you have no experience, yet you post this statement as if a fact. Just trying to help... Read more/post less.