Femoral Shock

Smokin Joe · 09-18-2004, 16:09

Has anyone heard of this or tried it?

I read some where, that you can knock out or incapacitate an individual by kicking them really hard in the femoral artery. Like a stomp kick, you would use to kick open a door. Used primarily during an assault when your hands are full and you don't want to double tap an individual but just put them down on the ground.

I don't want to violate any OPSEC here about assaults, CQB or (my new favorite) FISH, I'm speaking specifically of the stomp kick to the Femoral Artery.

Does it work? Or is it a load of crap?

Thank you for your input.

Air.177 · 09-18-2004, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe

Has anyone heard of this or tried it?

I read some where, that you can knock out or incapacitate an individual by kicking them really hard in the femoral artery. Like a stomp kick, you would use to kick open a door. Used primarily during an assault when your hands are full and you don't want to double tap an individual but just put them down on the ground.

I don't want to violate any OPSEC here about assaults, CQB or (my new favorite) FISH, I'm speaking specifically of the stomp kick to the Femoral Artery.

Does it work? Or is it a load of crap?

Thank you for your input.

I have seen (once) and heard of this type of thing being done but I would not rely on it working consistantly enough to depend on when I needed it to work.

**Kyobanim** · 09-18-2004, 16:36

There are several strikes of this nature that will put down or render unconscience but as Air said, I would not rely on any of them. I saw a neck strick take a guy down thursday night. Damndest thing I ever saw.

Smokin Joe · 09-18-2004, 17:10

I fully appericate what you guys are saying. Nothing is 100% effective, its just something else to put in your tool bag. I just want to know if it is worth putting IN my tool bag.

Thanks for your replys they are appericated

NousDefionsDoc · 09-18-2004, 19:07

There is a kick in the combatives sytem I was taught. It targets the outer thigh and the associated lumbar plexus neves, probably mostly the lateral femoral cutaneous and to a lesser extent the femoral nerve. It is difficult to do and requires a kind of swinging up and over to strike downwards on the outer thigh. while effective if done correctly, I found it to be hit or miss and while the misses still hurt like hell, only a hit will drop them.

The neck shot is much easier and produces the desired results more frequently IMO. Especially with the axe hand.

**Razor** · 09-18-2004, 19:19

Speaking as the experienced training dummy from a PPCT class, a mid-powered hammerfist to the side of the neck will leave you dazed and confused. I'm pretty sure a full-power strike would put someone down RFN. As for the femoral strike, during the same class, we did half-speed strikes to the inner and outer thigh (trying to hit the nerve NDD spoke about) and while it hurt like hell, I don't think you'd get rapid incapacitation from it. Sure, they'll probably have the charlie horse of their lives and fall down, but as you know down doesn't equal out.

Smokin Joe · 09-18-2004, 19:52

NDD,

Me no understand lateral cu...cotani....ah whatever here are some pics about what I'm thinking about.

Pic 1:

I believe this is were the strike should occur. Granted its done with enough force that even if it doesn't knock the guy out its probably going to blow out his knee.

Pic 2:

NDD is this what you are talking about?

(hope this works)

sandytroop · 11-22-2004, 09:26

All you PPCT guys recognize that as the strike to the common peroneal nerve. If your stick it in there, PPCT "Fluid Strike" style, it will certainly get a guy to go to neutral. Great when "escorting" unruly subects, you can stick it with a knee to the big nerve. In a fight, any solid hit to a nerve bundle beats a solid hit to a muscle... there's just so much more interresting stuff in nerve bundles!

Basenshukai · 11-22-2004, 15:50

I've been hit in this area and it put me down fast. If the strike is accurate, it's very effective. If it's not that accurate, it hurts tremendously anyway.

My teacher was/is a big believer in showing the actual effects of these strikes so we experienced quite a few of them first-hand. SERE also presents a nice demostration of some of them.

sandytroop · 11-22-2004, 15:59

No dout, I walked funny for a week after my PPCT Instructor's course. Your nerves take a pounding there, and it certainly made me a believer in target selection. I still suck at it, but close to a nerve is always an improvement over the usual flailing.

Smokin Joe · 11-22-2004, 16:37

I agree the common perenoal is a good hit but my original question was about striking the Femoral Area of the thigh (inside the leg in between the groin and the knee).

Has anyone ever tried striking this area? I have yet to be able to K.O. someone by hitting or kicking them in this area. I'm thinking that in order for this to work it would have to be enough force to dislocate the knee as well as K.O. someone.

Any thoughts?

sandytroop · 11-22-2004, 17:34

Sorry about that, I am obviously spacing it. In PPCT world that fermoral strike is used to stun an advancing attacker, but I've never experienced it outside of training (where my practice partner misplaced it and gave me a real interresting pain in my knee....). I think it's a lot like any other nerve involvement; if you hit it hard, it's likey to be quite effective. A good place to strike, but hard to get to. Sorry it took me so long to pull my head out.