06-29-2011, 09:58
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DADT repeal
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06-29-2011, 13:29
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Wow, there is some powerful stuff in there. Worst is, they assumed that 12% of combat arms troops will not reinlist because of this; and still did it anyways.
Hope the young men who voted for Obama don't mind doing compulsory service. Should be an interesting next couple years. 
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06-29-2011, 14:46
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The IG went on to say: “We consider it likely that the primary source disclosed content from the draft Report with the intent to shape a pro-repeal perception of the draft Report prior to its release to gain momentum in support of a legislative change during the ‘lame duck’ session of Congress following the Nov. 2, 2010, elections.”
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The Washington Times version has a tilt that suggest that the swing GOP leaders were 'tricked' into believing that a repeal would be positive for the military.
These elected officials... These policy makers... These representatives of 'we the people'... Is it normal that they frame decisions of this magnitude on the results of a study that they were given/leaked/whispered in the hallway? Are they not independent thinkers? Are they not capable of critical thought? Are we to just brush away the fact that they made this decision because they 'were tricked'.
I guess they are not responsible for their actions then.
This brings to mind a story I once heard. A friends ex wife had an ex who admitted to her many years ago that a 30 year old man had 'tricked' him into sodomy when he was 18.
Personally, I think the 'tricked' guy is gay and I think these politicians are sheeple too.
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06-29-2011, 14:53
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This brings to mind a story I once heard. A friends ex wife had an ex who admitted to her many years ago that a 30 year old man had 'tricked' him into sodomy when he was 18.
Personally, I think the 'tricked' guy is gay and I think these politicians are sheeple too.
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LOL, "bend over and stay still, I'm just going to check something here . . ."
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08-10-2011, 16:03
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LOL, "bend over and stay still, I'm just going to check something here . . ."
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08-10-2011, 17:29
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Physical PSR
Remember:
When getting your prostate checked:
1 hand on a shoulder is okay.
1 hand on either shoulder is not.
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06-30-2011, 07:24
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These elected officials... These policy makers... These representatives of 'we the people'... Is it normal that they frame decisions of this magnitude on the results of a study that they were given/leaked/whispered in the hallway? Are they not independent thinkers? Are they not capable of critical thought? Are we to just brush away the fact that they made this decision because they 'were tricked'.
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Is this a rhetorical question?
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06-30-2011, 07:27
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Is this a rhetorical question?
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No sinjefe, it was not meant to be. I sincerely hoped that somebody would counter my assertion and make me feel stupid for even thinking such 'silly' things.
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06-30-2011, 13:57
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If war is politics by other means, should we be surprised that military policy is a political choice?*
In American military and naval history have decisions about who can serve and who cannot ever been driven by independent critical thought alone rather than by political calculations?
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* Volker Berghahn, "Navies and Domestic Factors" and Robert S. Wood "Domestic Factors, Regime Characteristics and Naval Forces" provide contrasting conceptual frameworks for this line of inquiry. Both essays are available in John B. Hattendorf, Doing Naval History: Essays Toward Improvement Naval War College historical monograph series, no. 13 (Newport, RI: Naval War College Press, 1994), 53-71.
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08-10-2011, 12:57
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Originally Posted by MTN Medic
Worst is, they assumed that 12% of combat arms troops will not reinlist because of this; and still did it anyways.
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Given the recent threats of cutting the defense budget, the defense budget being the first thing to get automatic cuts if the super committee cant approve cuts, etc... is it easier to believe that maybe they actually did it BECAUSE 12% of combat arms troops will not reenlist?
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