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Old 03-07-2011, 07:36   #1
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The Consequence Of Inaction In Libya

This is always an issue when looking to depose a gang of bandits.

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Foreign Policy: The Consequence Of Inaction In Libya
Michael Singh, NPR, 7 Mar 2011

The sanctions which have been placed on Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, his family members, and his senior officials are strong. They include asset freezes, travel bans, and threats of criminal prosecution. All of which add up to a powerful signal to the Libyan regime that the war it is waging on its own people is illegitimate and unacceptable, and to the Libyan people that our sympathy is with them and we will act to prevent their national assets from being pillaged. The world is now a considerably less inviting place for Libyan officials, who have been known to carouse in the capitals of Europe, the Caribbean, and elsewhere.

But therein a problem lies. The strategy followed thus far by the United States and its allies may persuade many Libyan officials that there is no future in following Gadhafi and therefore, defection to the opposition or negotiating an exit from Libya altogether is the most sensible course of action. But for others, especially those closest to Gadhafi, the sanctions and threats of international prosecution, combined with the advance of opposition forces, may convince them that they have little choice but to hunker down in Tripoli and Sirte and fight.

To deal with this possibility that Gadhafi and his loyalists will use all of the force at their disposal before giving in, and that the violence in Libya may therefore get considerably worse, further international action is needed. The United States and EU should seek U.N. Security Council authorization for the imposition of a no-fly zone in Libya.

We have heard much from U.S. officials in recent days about the risks of imposing a no-fly zone, but inaction also has its consequences.

Gadhafi has used warplanes against the opposition in recent days, and there is little indication that he will cease doing so as long as it is an option. This not only increases the chances of mass casualties, but it will extend the conflict as the relatively lightly-armed and poorly-trained rebels worry about advancing while Gadhafi has such armaments at his disposal. As the fighting drags on and the violence deepens, the risk that extremist groups will enter the fray as they have in other conflicts in the region increases as well, which has serious implications for our future relations with whatever Libya that emerges from the fighting.

Inaction also strikes a blow to U.S. credibility. On Capitol Hill March 2, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that the "stakes are high" in Libya, which she warned could become a "giant Somalia." The United States has "joined the Libyan people in demanding that Colonel Gadhafi must go now, without further violence or delay," she asserted. Yet it is not clear to the world that we have joined the Libyan people in doing anything about it. Our sanctions will work indirectly and over the long term. Our warships are standing off the coast of Libya, but taking no part in the struggle there. This perception — that we can help but have chosen not to, despite calls from the Libyan opposition to impose a no-fly zone —is one we may rue for years to come.

The reasons provided by senior U.S. officials for not imposing a no-fly zone in Libya seem pale in comparison to their descriptions of the stakes in Libya. They have said that imposing a no-fly zone would be complicated and would not account for fighting on the ground. These are prudent points, but they make better arguments for a smartly-crafted intervention than for doing nothing. There are well-grounded fears that a no-fly zone could turn into a long-term commitment (like the one over Iraq in the 1990s) if a stalemate develops. But this risk must be weighed against the potential of a no-fly zone to bring the conflict to an earlier end, keeping in mind that a protracted conflict will carry costs for U.S. national security regardless of whether we are directly involved. U.S. officials have also questioned whether aircraft are being used by Gadhafi against civilians, or whether the Libyan opposition wants a no-fly zone. Recent news reports undermine both points. Likewise, fears that Russia and China would veto a no-fly zone in the Security Council should not deter us from putting the question to them.

Other reasons given for our inaction are less persuasive. Secretary of Defense Gates questioned the wisdom of taking action in "another country in the Middle East," and Secretary Clinton suggested that there are messages on websites that the United States intends to "invade for oil." We cannot allow such canards to guide U.S. foreign policy.

From Tunisia to Egypt to Bahrain to Libya, the world has been wondering where the United States stands. It was on Feb. 23 that President Obama said regarding Libya that the United States would "stand up for freedom, stand up for justice, and stand up for the dignity of all people." And on Feb. 25 Secretary Clinton asserted that, "This is a time for action. Now is the opportunity for us to support all who are willing to stand up on behalf of the rights we claim to cherish." On March 2, she observed that the events in the region demanded a "strong and strategic response." They were right, but so far our actions have not matched these words.


Michael Singh is an associate fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former senior director for Middle East affairs at the National Security Council (NSC).

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/07/134326...ction-in-libya
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:00   #2
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I doubt the world is hanging onto BJ's ol' lady's every word.

She hasn't had any credibility with anyone with a brain since day one, and with anyone with half a brain since she claimed to have come under sniper fire when exiting a helicopter.

As for Obama-its been reported that the rebels want W back in there.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:20   #3
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What are US Interests in Libya?

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A good read, though I am no fan of the current milquetoast US administration, at the risk of being a cynic, is it possible in the cold world of geopolitics it is better for US interests that Gaddafi stay in power? We can pay lip service to the sufferings of the Libyan people, but if this was Saudi or someplace we truly cared about there would have been US boots on the ground weeks ago.

Gaddafi is a devil, but the devil we know, he chirps, he does bad things, but at his age and energy level he seems more interested in his Ukranian nurse, than Islamism. He reinvented himself as African since the Arabs don't take him seriously, and lest we forget he has been cozying up Libyan oil to the West the past decade. On the other hand if he is replaced by some young charismatic Islamist firebrand, this could lead to much bigger problems for US interests.

My knowledge of Libyan military capability is slight, and limited to brief readings, however it is a country of 6.5 million people 90% of whom reside in 3 cities along the coast, with a relatively small military and aging Soviet equipment, who got smacked by Chad in the Toyota War. Given US military capabilities, it doesn't seem we want change in Libya, how can the rebels win without logistic resupply?
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Old 03-07-2011, 13:37   #4
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Some points to consider, but I don't see how we can support such regimes as this one anymore and hope to retain any sense of credibility in today's 'under the microscope lens' environment.

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...how can the rebels win without logistic resupply?
In a UW environment which is in the overt military action phase like this one, every enemy force is a potential source of resupply - win the battle and win the supplies. Hell of an incentive to fight and win, isn't it?

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Old 03-07-2011, 13:51   #5
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Some points to consider, but I don't see how we can support such regimes as this one anymore and hope to retain any sense of credibility in today's 'under the microscope lens' environment.

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In a UW environment which is in the overt military action phase like this one, every enemy force is a potential source of resupply - win the battle and win the supplies. Hell of an incentive to fight and win, isn't it?

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This made me wonder... If the US and/or other foreign nations begin supplying the rebels do you think we would see a shift in support from the pro Qadafi forces? Possibly due to the fact the rebels are believed to be just holding on, without current US involvement? Thus they believe they will overthrow the rebels. With US support the pro Qadafi forces may see Qadafi as the weaker player. Or maybe their loyalty is deeper than just who is the stronger player? Just a question for you guys who know more. Something I've been pondering.

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"To be or not to be..."

"de oppresso liber".......hmmm

We reportedly aid Egypt's military to the tune of 1+ billion dollars per year.

Egypt shares a border with Libya.

This is the first rebellion I've noticed reported where Arab citizens are asking for Western military assistance.
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