The Fallacy of the “Moderate Muslim”

[Pete]

The Fallacy of the “Moderate Muslim”

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...pub_detail.asp

This guy says a lot about things that have been said here.

"..............................If our country has even the remotest chance of securing our nation we must accept America is indeed at war with Islam. There is no nice way to ignore the violence within neither Islam nor its teachings. There are millions of ‘good people who call themselves Muslim’, but in actuality they do not follow Sharia law and are Apostates of Islam. Sharia adherent Muslims are not ‘good Muslims’. Islam forbids this trait which naïve Americans desire. There is nothing I have said in this article that the leaders of Islam have not repeated over and over to their worshippers and to non-Muslims. Now is the time to take them for their word, or else you are risking the lives of your children by ignoring their warnings........"

[glebo]

I know pete, to bad most of the sheeple don't see the light....they "just don't get it"..

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by Pete

There is nothing I have said in this article that the leaders of Islam have not repeated over and over to their worshippers and to non-Muslims.

If only people would listen.

[drymartini66]

Originally Posted by Pete

The Fallacy of the “Moderate Muslim”

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...pub_detail.asp

This guy says a lot about things that have been said here.

"..............................If our country has even the remotest chance of securing our nation we must accept America is indeed at war with Islam. There is no nice way to ignore the violence within neither Islam nor its teachings. There are millions of ‘good people who call themselves Muslim’, but in actuality they do not follow Sharia law and are Apostates of Islam. Sharia adherent Muslims are not ‘good Muslims’. Islam forbids this trait which naïve Americans desire. There is nothing I have said in this article that the leaders of Islam have not repeated over and over to their worshippers and to non-Muslims. Now is the time to take them for their word, or else you are risking the lives of your children by ignoring their warnings........"

Isn't the term "Moderate Muslim" an oxymoron in itself?

[Oldrotorhead]

I think a lot of people see that we are at war with Islam, but it isn't PC to admit this fact. Being PC and worried about hurting peoples feeling could be the death of the Nation. I am old enough not to care who I offend so I am NOT PC and I really try and work with people thoughts and screw their feeling. I don't need a lot of new shallow friend that worry about offening some Muslim or Fundimentalist Christian for that matter. I keep moving further into fly over country and the only thing I miss is the beach. Well OK maybe some of the food in New Youk City too.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Oldrotorhead

I think a lot of people see that we are at war with Islam, but it isn't PC to admit this fact.

I believe that is true. I also find that that some friends and acquaintances (who tend to be liberal) have friends or know people who are 'Good Muslims'. Akmad is a good guy he would never do anything like that! Thus they ignore or do not understand what is going on.


The simple question of what laws will you abide by the Sharia or US Law has thus far answered the question for me.........it's is always met with silence, signs of irritation and finally the cop-out of you don't understand and 'We are a Religion of Peace.


It mixes like Oil and Water.

[trvlr]

"Apostate of Islam" is a relative term. A good example of this is Christianity and how it changed from old to new testament, and then again during the "evening light" period. Are modern Christians also apostates? Saying you are warring against an entire religion (one that like it or not, we need support from) does not make strategic sense. Wahabi style Sharia law is not the same as the Sharia upheld in Indonesia. Why incense tens of millions when we don't have to?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by trvlr

........... Why incense tens of millions when we don't have to?

Have you read the Koran and do you understand Abrogation?

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/verses.htm

"Abrogated Verses in the Koran"

".. "Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clear from error" (Sura 2.256).

Apologists for Islam often quote this verse, and most Westerners, unfamiliar with the Koran and imagining that it must obey the same theological logic as the Christian Bible, assume that Islamic scripture mandates religious toleration toward non-Muslims. That assumption is inaccurate............."

and

"........But when Islam became powerful, Allah's eternal message changed. Islam could now "call people by the sword" -- that is, compel conversion -- and accordingly "verses of the sword" were conveniently revealed to the Prophet, verses that sanction and indeed command conversion of the Infidel by armed violence, which historically would be Islam's preferred method. Sura 2.256 was thus abrogated by a later verse, composed after Mohammed had begun to prepare his new Muslim empire for Jihad against the non-Muslim world: "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush" (Sura 9.5). This "verse of the sword" not only abrogates 2.256, but also abrogates well over a hundred earlier verses that formerly taught peace and tolerance toward non-believers..........."

So just what is a good Muslim? One who believes in the Koran or one who does not?

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by drymartini66

Isn't the term "Moderate Muslim" an oxymoron in itself?

Exactly!.........

Big Teddy