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Old 06-15-2010, 19:38   #1
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The Reconquista is underway

Borders!?! Borders!?! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BORDERS!!!


http://www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-...-Mexico-border

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The drug cartel violence coupled with increased crime along the Arizona/Mexico border has prompted Arizona officials to place signs along a heavily-traveled and known smuggling route leading from Mexico to the state’s capitol of Phoenix.

Signs went up a couple weeks ago along the southern side of I-8 between Casa Grande and Gila Bend Arizona. The region is about 80 miles north of the Mexican border and it warns American citizens of the dangers of hiking in the area.

Mexican drug cartels appear to control large areas of Southern Arizona, according to the Pinal County Sheriff.

According to Borderland Beat, the Pinal County Sherriff says, "We do not have control of this area."

Pinal County investigators are now saying the area known as the ‘smuggling corridor’ stretches from the Mexico's border to Phoenix.

Borderland suggests the area was once known as a family hiking and off road vehicles area. However the government has posted signs warning visitors and residents of the drug and human smuggling activity.

Recently law enforcement in the southern Arizona region photographed, using night vision cameras, cartel members with military arms delivering drugs to vehicles along Highway 8.

“We are three counties deep. How is it that you see pictures like these, not American with semi and fully automatic rifles? How is that okay?" the Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu asked.

"We are outgunned, we are out manned and we don't have the resources here locally to fight this," the Sheriff said at a news conference.

Just 5 weeks ago Deputy Louie Puroll was ambushed and shot by armed men as he tracked suspected drug smugglers. Sheriff Babeu explained that incident mirrored military tactics and should act as a warning to all Arizonians.

While the federal government fails to secure the border, the Arizona state government is left to post signs warning residents that it is no longer safe to use thousands of acres of BLM land.

The new sign reads; “Danger Public Warning, travel not recommended active human and drug smuggling area, visitors may encounter armed criminals and smuggling vehicles traveling at high rates of speed. Stay away from trash, clothing, backpacks and abandoned vehicles. If you see suspicious activity, do not confront (underlined) move away and call 911. The BLM encourages visitors to use public lands north of Interstate 8.”

A mere hop, skip and jump south to Mexico the murders continue unabated.

Mexico experienced its deadliest day since Felipe Calderon took office and 85 citizens lost their lives in a single day due to an uptick in drug cartel brutality.

The bloody Friday in Mexico was summed up by local news reports as organized crime-related mayhem. “In what constitutes the most violent day since the present federal administration began the frontal struggle against organized crime, 85 people lost their lives in acts related directly to ‘adjustments of affairs’ between rival gangs, confrontations and assassinations with high-caliber firearms,” local newspapers reported.

The previous single day loss of life tally was 58 on November 3, 2008.

This should be a wake-up call for all Americans; secure the borders or live in potential lawlessness.
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Old 06-15-2010, 19:44   #2
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Pancho Villa II ? It will take the same actions and resolve to get rid of them.
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Old 06-15-2010, 23:43   #3
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Hmmmm! Two illegal aliens were shot at today - according to a Phx area TV station - and one was wounded slightly. Two men in camouflage with 'high-powered' rifles, supposedly. According to the Santa Cruz county sheriff, it is hoped that these are not 'citizens' striking out at illegals.

I will try to find a link.
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Old 06-16-2010, 02:40   #4
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As I was looking for the story about the two illegals shot by " two camouflaged men " I found this video. I knew the U.S. / Mexico border area was rough but it seems to be getting out of control.

Link: http://video.foxnews.com/v/4236690/r...ylist_id=87937
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Old 06-16-2010, 12:16   #5
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Can't repeal the laws of supply and demand, even for something illegal.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...d_the_drug_war

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I'm confused. When I walk around busy midtown Manhattan, I often smell marijuana. Despite the crowds, some people smoke weed in public. Usually the police leave them alone, and yet other times they act like a military force engaged in urban combat. This February, cops stormed a Columbia, Mo., home, killed the family dog and terrorized a 7-year-old boy -- for what? A tiny quantity of marijuana.

Two years ago, in Prince George's County, Md., cops raided Cheye Calvo's home -- all because a box of marijuana was randomly shipped to his wife as part of a smuggling operation. Only later did the police learn that Calvo was innocent -- and the mayor of that town.

"When this first happened, I assumed it was just a terrible, terrible mistake," Calvo said. "But the more I looked into it, the more I realized (it was) business as usual that brought the police through our front door. This is just what they do. We just don't hear about it. The only reason people heard about my story is that I happened to be a clean-cut white mayor."

Radley Balko of Reason magazine says more than a hundred police SWAT raids are conducted every day. Does the use of illicit drugs really justify the militarization of the police, the violent disregard for our civil liberties and the overpopulation of our prisons? It seems hard to believe.

I understand that people on drugs can do terrible harm -- wreck lives and hurt people. But that's true for alcohol, too. But alcohol prohibition didn't work. It created Al Capone and organized crime. Now drug prohibition funds nasty Mexican gangs and the Taliban. Is it worth it? I don't think so.

Everything can be abused, but that doesn't mean government can stop it, or should try to stop it. Government goes astray when it tries to protect us from ourselves.

Many people fear that if drugs were legal, there would be much more use and abuse. That's possible, but there is little evidence to support that assumption. In the Netherlands, marijuana has been legal for years. Yet the Dutch are actually less likely to smoke than Americans. Thirty-eight percent of American adolescents have smoked pot, while only 20 percent of Dutch teens have. One Dutch official told me that "we've succeeded in making pot boring."

By contrast, what good has the drug war done? It's been 40 years since Richard Nixon declared war on drugs. Since then, government has spent billions and officials keep announcing their "successes." They are always holding press conferences showing off big drug busts. So it's not like authorities aren't trying.

We've locked up 2.3 million people, a higher percentage than any other country. That allows China to criticize America's human-rights record because our prisons are "packed with inmates."

Yet drugs are still everywhere. The war on drugs wrecks far more lives than drugs do!

Need more proof? Fox News runs stories about Mexican cocaine cartels and marijuana gangs that smuggle drugs into Arizona. Few stop to think that legalization would end the violence. There are no Corona beer smugglers. Beer sellers don't smuggle. They simply ship their product. Drug laws cause drug crime.

The drug trade moved to Mexico partly because our government funded narcotics police in Colombia and sprayed the growing fields with herbicides. We announced it was a success! We cut way back on the Colombian drug trade.

But so what? All we did was squeeze the balloon. The drug trade moved across the border to Peru, and now it's moved to Mexico. So the new president of Mexico is squeezing the balloon. Now the trade and the violence are spilling over the border into the United States.
That's what I call progress. It the kind of progress we don't need.

Economist Ludwig von Mises wrote: "(O)nce the principle is admitted that it is the duty of the government to protect the individual against his own foolishness ... (w)hy not prevent him from reading bad books and bad plays ... ? The mischief done by bad ideologies is more pernicious ... than that done by narcotic drugs."

Right on, Ludwig!
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Old 06-16-2010, 17:50   #6
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It is a lot different from the early '70s and when I was living near Las Cruces. Then, the Border Patrol would just come to the farms and pick up a truck load to take them back. The same ones would be back a couple of months later but they were really not a problem. They were just looking for legitimate work.

Sooner or later, it will come to armed conflict on the border. I don't see anything Calderone does slowing things down.
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Old 07-17-2010, 05:30   #7
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Can't repeal the laws of supply and demand, even for something illegal.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...d_the_drug_war
I heard this awhile back. That it would of been much cheaper to pay the Colombian Cartels money equal to their Cocain profit then it was to spend money fighting the Cartels.
I do favor legalizing Marijuana. But I don't think legalizing it would actually stop the illegal trafficking of it. Maybe years down the road but it would take years for the legal sale of MJ to put the illegal dealers out of business. Also the trafficking of Coke and other dangerous Drugs would take the place of MJ trafficking.
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:07   #8
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The illegals coming here for work are not the ones we need to worry about. Its the cartels we need to go after. The solution to hiring illegals is to throw the people that hire them in prison for 20 yers of hard labor. If there are no jobs for them here they will not come here. The drug dealers on the other hand need to be delt with.

As for the reporting I take sometinh like that with a grain of salt. Their story may be that they were just poor working illegals coming here to work. They forgot to mention they are part of a cartel packing drugs over and shot at some campers first. I guess I am just jaded.
I do not buy that. Informants, add old men and women are the one's who are lookouts. Same same in CI. Illegal means illegal.
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:09   #9
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At the present time, we don't have the technology in place to detect every entry when it happens…
This, to me, is proof positive that the Feds are not serious about sealing the border. While I may be new to the area as a civilian, I was stationed at Ft. Huachuca in 1970. I was an Unattended Ground Sensor instructor at the Electronic Warfare/Combat Surveillance School. We had very good perimeter intrusion devices 40 years ago as well as remote sensors that could monitor trail and river activity. These still exist, and, I would hope, are even better.

As for Defense-in-Depth, it sounds like a good job for local LEOs to me.

Permanent checkpoints, I WANT to know where you are if I want to get by you. Those football Corners and Safeties don’t just stand in one spot and wait for the Running Back or Wide Receiver to come to them. The fact that some are caught at the checkpoints indicates to me that they are stupid, cocky, lazy, or a decoy. I'm cynical enough to believe it could even be “tossing the BP a bone.” If they never caught anyone or anything, they'd be hard pressed to defend the present practice, and the bad guys like it just the way it is. It’s a "known known", to quote Rumsfeld.

Ft. Huachuca was built there, over 130 years ago, for a reason.

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Those football Corners and Safeties don’t just stand in one spot and wait for the Running Back or Wide Receiver to come to them.
I sure as heck wish someone had explained this point to Roy Williams when he was with the Cowboys.
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Old 07-16-2010, 20:39   #11
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...C7iCxv5-EJE96w

Utah probes criminal public disclosure of illegal immigrants

(AFP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Utah is investigating the criminal naming of hundreds of illegal immigrants to media and authorities, allegedly by rogue state employees seeking their deportation, the state attorney general said Friday.

"We're talking serious crime. The word we need to get out there is that we're taking it seriously," Mark Shurtleff told reporters in a telephone conference....

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6093855.story

Two Utah state workers may have helped compile deportation list

Both are put on leave while officials investigate a letter urging expulsion of 1,300 people the writers say are illegal immigrants.
By Steve Padilla, Los Angeles Times
July 17, 2010
Authorities in Utah said Friday that at least two state employees may have been responsible for compiling and distributing a list containing the names and personal information of 1,300 people who, the senders charged, are illegal immigrants and should be deported immediately.

The employees, who were placed on leave, work for the Department of Workforce Services, which maintains a database containing information matching that on the list. More state employees also might be involved, and officials said the investigation into the list continues.

The list, sent to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Salt Lake City in April, was redistributed this week with additional names to Utah lawmakers, news organizations and police chiefs. The senders called themselves Concerned Citizens of the United States and demanded that authorities begin deporting people on the list.

The list included addresses, Social Security numbers and even whether some women were pregnant. "Most likely both federal and state privacy laws may have been violated," Utah Atty. Gen. Mark L. Shurtleff said Friday....
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Old 07-16-2010, 21:42   #12
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Was the ambush performed by Los Zetas? The guy who founded the criminal organization was a former Mexican Army SF soldier. This might explain the military tactics the sheriff observed. Some left SF because of low pay and joined criminal organizations as well.

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Old 07-17-2010, 02:29   #13
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I think I mentioned this before, but I remember being deployed with full combat loads to the 4-Corners" area of Cortez, CO back in 1998 for one of the largest manhunts in that area. We deployed all over the area as OP's and blocking/interdicting forces.

The FBI didn't like us knowing everything that was going on, not to mention some of us actually telling them they were trying to run things like a bunch of clueless boobs so they had us removed from the game.

Now if the government is really serious about stopping the drug cartels, I recommend they deputize the SF guard and deploy them to monitor and control the lines of communication north of the Mexican border. Just a thought.
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Old 07-17-2010, 05:19   #14
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I recommend they deputize the SF guard and deploy them to monitor and control the lines of communication north of the Mexican border. Just a thought.
Good idea, TOMAHAWK9521, but you'd have to select the Team from a bunch of guys you didn't like because they'd soon run afoul of BHO and his covey of punks. It'd frustrate the hell out of them just like it did you in '98.
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