Obama's Grandma in Mecca for 'Hajj'

[Warrior-Mentor]

I'm confused...someone enlighten me:

1. Wasn't Obama's Grandmother a Christian during the campaign?
2. Since when are Christians allowed in Mecca?
3. And since when do Christians attend the hajj?


Saudi Arabia: Obama's grandmother
in Mecca for 'Hajj' ceremony

Mecca, 25 Nov. (AKI) - The grandmother of US president Barack Obama has arrived in Saudi Arabia for the 'Hajj' or Islamic pilgrimage to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, a Saudi daily said on Wednesday. Sarah Obama, 87, is being accompanied by a nephew and Obama's cousin, Omran.

On Wednesday Sarah Obama was in the valley of Mina with an African delegation, according to the Saudi daily Okaz.

Obama, the mother of the American president's father, lives in a village in Kenya and is one of the many guests of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud.

About two million Muslims converge on Mecca each year for the Hajj pilgrimage but Saudi officials were expecting fewer pilgrims this year due to the threat of the H1N1 virus known as swine flu.

Crowds of pilgrims have been converging on the holy city of Mecca in recent days, and started the Hajj rites on Wednesday.

At the weekend, Saudi health authorities said that four people attending the Hajj had died from the H1N1 virus but sought to play down the risk.

The Hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam. It is an obligation for all able-bodied Muslims to attend at least once during their lives, provided they can afford it.

SOURCE:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...3.0.4036802442

But but but but bubbie was a Christian last year. Like grandma, like grandson.

SOURCE:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...cereemony.html

Obama's "Christian" grandmother in Mecca for Hajj

Why the deception? And who was behind it? AP? The Obama camp? Someone else? What was its purpose?

AP, March 5, 2008:

"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.

FULL AP STORY:
Obama's grandma slams 'untruths'

AP 3/05/2008

By Katharine Houreld,
Associated Press

KOGELO, Kenya — American shock jocks, dirty tricks masterminds and political bloggers: Beware the wrath of an 86-year-old Kenyan villager.

A frown replaces the dimpled beam of Sarah Hussein Obama, grandmother of U.S. senator Barack Obama, when asked on Wednesday about recent attacks on her grandson that include the spreading of rumors that he is secretly a Muslim and the repeated use of his middle name — Hussein — by a radio host at rally of the Republican presidential candidate.

"Untruths are told that don't have anything to do with what Barack is about," she said in the local Luo language, her gray hair smoothed neatly under a headwrap. "I am very against it."

Obama and fellow senator Hillary Clinton are close in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination after results from races on Tuesday. Clinton, who was trailing Obama, won the crucial states of Texas and Ohio and won big in Rhode Island. Obama's thin lead narrowed further after he only picked up Vermont.

In recent weeks, two Clinton volunteers in the state of Iowa resigned after forwarding false e-mails falsely saying he was a Muslim and a threat to national security. Matt Drudge, who publishes the political blog the Drudge Report, said that he was e-mailed a widely circulated picture of Obama in a turban and robe by the Clinton campaign.

"Bringing such pictures that are trying to imply that not only is he a foreigner, he is a Muslim is wrong, because that is not what he is," scolded Sarah Obama.

The photo was taken when he was presented with the outfit while on a visit to his late father's native Kenya, where many of the family still live. Clinton campaign officials have said they did not condone any such dirty tricks.

Obama's grandfather had converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism and taken the name Hussein, Sarah Obama said, but his children had inherited only the name, not the religion. Each person should be able to choose how they worshipped, she said.

"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.

Barack Obama has visited his Kenyan relatives three times in Kogelo, and his grandmother has gone to the U.S. twice. She says they are close, although they have to speak through an interpreter.

Sarah Obama was the second wife of the candidate's late grandfather, so is not his biological grandmother. But Barack Obama's half sister, Auma Obama, said: "By our definition, in our culture, she is his grandmother," she said.

The intense interest generated by the race for the Democratic nomination — between two candidates who would either be the first female or the first black president — has thrust Obama's Kenyan family into the spotlight.

Four wheel drive vehicles packed with journalists bounce over the rutted red roads, and students at the local high school named after him don't even turn anymore to watch as crews unload satellite equipment under a mango tree.

Each twist and turn of the race is closely scrutinized, says Auma Obama. The family gathered in his grandmother's house on Tuesday night to watch the results come in, she said, on a television donated by a family friend — the grandmother's own simple house does not have one of its own.

"Barack's done extremely well and we're very proud of him," Auma Obama said when asked for a reaction to the losses on Tuesday. "This is like a football match. The game continues."

SOURCE:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...bama-kin_N.htm

[ZonieDiver]

One wonders...

[dirtyshirt]

please,correct me if I get this wrong....

In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".

So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...

nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

please,correct me if I get this wrong....

In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".

So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...

nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.

Suspect you had it right the first time...

[Paslode]

WSJ

Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother died Sunday night, just hours before a presidential election in which her grandson could become the first African-American to win the nation's highest office.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Sen. Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said in a joint statement Monday.

Time

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html

Several thousand miles and a world away, Barack Obama is campaigning to change American politics. But in the tiny farmstead where his father used to herd goats, his Kenyan relatives are praying for anything but more political upheaval. "We are spending sleepless nights praying that peace will prevail," says the 86-year-old woman whom the presidential contender calls Granny Sarah.


The Obamas' home has been spared the violence that has wracked Kenya since President Mwai Kibaki was sworn in for a controversial second term two months ago. More than 1,000 people have been killed and hundreds of thousands more uprooted, forced to return to their tribal homelands as waves of political violence brought decades of ethnic tension into the open.

Outside the Obama home, calves are grazing on the thick green grass that grows here in one of Kenya's most fertile regions. Plowed fields stand ready to be sown with maize. And scrawny chickens peck for grubs in the shade of mango trees. Inside, Granny Sarah's simple sitting room is plastered with black-and-white photographs of Obama Senior — the stepson she raised as her own — alongside Obama Junior's campaign posters.

Her eyes sparkle as she talks of her pride at his success and how he will make a fine President. "He is very loving and very hardworking and never had to be told what to do," she says, pointing out a photograph of a young, gangly Obama with a sack of vegetables over his shoulder during his first visit to Kenya. "Even though he is very learned, he's a very good listener and respects the opinions of others." A chicken wanders in through the open door and Granny Sarah hauls herself out of her chair to shoo it away.

As she settles back down, Granny Sarah, a non-practicing Muslim whose real name is Sarah Anyango Obama, says: "The senior Barack was a great friend of President Kibaki and also with Raila Odinga, so if Barry becomes President of America he will be well placed to help find peace." (Violence broke out in Kenya after Raila Odinga, the leader of the opposition Orange Democratic Movement, accused Kibaki of stealing the election. It opened up tribal fissures that many thought Kenya had long ago moved beyond. On Feb. 28, after on-again-off-again negotiations led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, the two bitter rivals agreed to form a coalition government.) While there is simple pride at Obama's rise to prominence in the U.S., there has also been hope that his influence could go a long way toward calming the country's political turmoil. He has kept in regular touch with his relatives here for updates.

The Obamas live about an hour's drive — first on potholed asphalt roads then on a rutted dirt track into the village of Kogelo — from the city of Kisumu, the center of opposition support, standing on the shores of Lake Victoria. The population here is Luo, arch-rivals of President Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe. Angry mobs torched shops, bars and garages belonging to Kikuyu businessmen and forced their families to board buses for their tribal homelands in Central Kenya. In spite of the apparent political breakthrough in the capital Nairobi, the anger remains even if the mobs have been called off for now.

Every street corner in Kogelo hosts a political debate. It usually starts with a discussion of Kenya's crisis before moving on quickly to the chances of a Luo son moving into the White House. Maurice Kogode is the chairman of the grandly named Central Square Consultation Forum, which meets beneath a vast jacaranda tree. He says Obama's message of hope and change designed for voters in America also offers inspiration to young Kenyans. "Too many politicians here have an egocentric mind and they just won't give in," says Kogode. "They protect their own interests, not the majority."

In a country where politics has become a byword for corruption and tribal loyalty, Obama offers a different model, he explains. Instead of a leader who would use power to ensure his supporters get their turn at the trough, showering jobs, grants and contracts on family, he is seen by many as a President who would govern in the interests of all.

Not everyone sees it that way, though. A steady stream of would-be economic migrants has been arriving at Granny Sarah's door seeking an American visa. Almost every day she has to explain that the U.S. embassy in Nairobi is the only place that can make their American dream come true. (There's been a steady stream of journalists as well, so many that appointments now have to be made in advance before Granny Sarah will see them.) But even Granny Sarah admits to harboring secret hopes of a local windfall if Obama's momentum carries him all the way to America's highest office. "What we hope is that with his Kenyan and Africa roots we will see some of the fruits of his power, like electricity, water and a new road," she says simply in her native Luo language.

Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.

[Pete]

So we have conflicting stories from Feb & Mar 2008. One she's a non-practicing Muslim and the other she is a Christian.

In 2009 she toddles off to Mecca.

Or are there two Sarah Obama the Grandmother?

I wonder what else the MSM is trying to keep under cover

[CoLawman]

I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?

Originally Posted by Paslode

WSJ

Time

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html



Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.

[Paslode]

WSJ

Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother died Sunday night, just hours before a presidential election in which her grandson could become the first African-American to win the nation's highest office.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Sen. Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said in a joint statement Monday.

Time

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html

Several thousand miles and a world away, Barack Obama is campaigning to change American politics. But in the tiny farmstead where his father used to herd goats, his Kenyan relatives are praying for anything but more political upheaval. "We are spending sleepless nights praying that peace will prevail," says the 86-year-old woman whom the presidential contender calls Granny Sarah.


The Obamas' home has been spared the violence that has wracked Kenya since President Mwai Kibaki was sworn in for a controversial second term two months ago. More than 1,000 people have been killed and hundreds of thousands more uprooted, forced to return to their tribal homelands as waves of political violence brought decades of ethnic tension into the open.

Outside the Obama home, calves are grazing on the thick green grass that grows here in one of Kenya's most fertile regions. Plowed fields stand ready to be sown with maize. And scrawny chickens peck for grubs in the shade of mango trees. Inside, Granny Sarah's simple sitting room is plastered with black-and-white photographs of Obama Senior — the stepson she raised as her own — alongside Obama Junior's campaign posters.

Her eyes sparkle as she talks of her pride at his success and how he will make a fine President. "He is very loving and very hardworking and never had to be told what to do," she says, pointing out a photograph of a young, gangly Obama with a sack of vegetables over his shoulder during his first visit to Kenya. "Even though he is very learned, he's a very good listener and respects the opinions of others." A chicken wanders in through the open door and Granny Sarah hauls herself out of her chair to shoo it away.

As she settles back down, Granny Sarah, a non-practicing Muslim whose real name is Sarah Anyango Obama, says: "The senior Barack was a great friend of President Kibaki and also with Raila Odinga, so if Barry becomes President of America he will be well placed to help find peace." (Violence broke out in Kenya after Raila Odinga, the leader of the opposition Orange Democratic Movement, accused Kibaki of stealing the election. It opened up tribal fissures that many thought Kenya had long ago moved beyond. On Feb. 28, after on-again-off-again negotiations led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, the two bitter rivals agreed to form a coalition government.) While there is simple pride at Obama's rise to prominence in the U.S., there has also been hope that his influence could go a long way toward calming the country's political turmoil. He has kept in regular touch with his relatives here for updates.

The Obamas live about an hour's drive — first on potholed asphalt roads then on a rutted dirt track into the village of Kogelo — from the city of Kisumu, the center of opposition support, standing on the shores of Lake Victoria. The population here is Luo, arch-rivals of President Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe. Angry mobs torched shops, bars and garages belonging to Kikuyu businessmen and forced their families to board buses for their tribal homelands in Central Kenya. In spite of the apparent political breakthrough in the capital Nairobi, the anger remains even if the mobs have been called off for now.

Every street corner in Kogelo hosts a political debate. It usually starts with a discussion of Kenya's crisis before moving on quickly to the chances of a Luo son moving into the White House. Maurice Kogode is the chairman of the grandly named Central Square Consultation Forum, which meets beneath a vast jacaranda tree. He says Obama's message of hope and change designed for voters in America also offers inspiration to young Kenyans. "Too many politicians here have an egocentric mind and they just won't give in," says Kogode. "They protect their own interests, not the majority."

In a country where politics has become a byword for corruption and tribal loyalty, Obama offers a different model, he explains. Instead of a leader who would use power to ensure his supporters get their turn at the trough, showering jobs, grants and contracts on family, he is seen by many as a President who would govern in the interests of all.

Not everyone sees it that way, though. A steady stream of would-be economic migrants has been arriving at Granny Sarah's door seeking an American visa. Almost every day she has to explain that the U.S. embassy in Nairobi is the only place that can make their American dream come true. (There's been a steady stream of journalists as well, so many that appointments now have to be made in advance before Granny Sarah will see them.) But even Granny Sarah admits to harboring secret hopes of a local windfall if Obama's momentum carries him all the way to America's highest office. "What we hope is that with his Kenyan and Africa roots we will see some of the fruits of his power, like electricity, water and a new road," she says simply in her native Luo language.

Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.

[incarcerated]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...o-muslims.html

On Thanksgiving eve, Obama issues special Hajj message to world's Muslims

November 25, 2009 | 4:14 pm
Statement by the President on Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha, as provided by the White House

Michelle and I would like to send our best wishes to all those performing Hajj this year, and to Muslims in America and around the world who are celebrating Eid-ul-Adha. The rituals of Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha both serve as reminders of the shared Abrahamic roots of three of the world’s major religions.

During Hajj, the world’s largest and most diverse gathering, three million Muslims from all walks of life – including thousands of American Muslims – will stand in prayer on Mount Arafat. The following day, Muslims around the world will celebrate Eid-ul-Adha and distribute food to the less fortunate to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son out of obedience to God.

This year, I am pleased that the Department of Health and Human Services has partnered with the Saudi Health Ministry to prevent and limit the spread of H1N1 during Hajj. Cooperating on combating H1N1 is one of the ways we are implementing my administration's commitment to partnership in areas of mutual interest.

On behalf of the American people, we would like to extend our greetings during this Hajj season – Eid Mubarak.
###

[Irishsquid]

Originally Posted by dirtyshirt

please,correct me if I get this wrong....

In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".

So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...

nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.

You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by Irishsquid

You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."

...and remember taqiyya's evil twin sister, "kitman".

Taqiyya and Kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic Terrorism
Reader comment on item: Islamists, Get Out
Submitted by Donald Hudson (Singapore),
Sep 1, 2005

Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tak-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one's convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...

Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.'

The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.

SOURCE:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

One wonders...

I don't, I was watching tv at the time he made that slip that has been all but ignored by the left wing MSM.."My muslim faith, I mean my christian faith." Yeah sure Barry, whatever you say.