Teaching BoyScout at a Camperree

[albeham]

OK guys.

I have been asked to run a "E&E" type lane, Survival techniques, at a Camperee in November for Boy Scouts. Idea is on How to get found, shelters , water, routes, etc.

I am asking for ideas and a POC here in the Maryland area to maybe help me out, ether to run the lane with me or maybe some good hand outs, ideas.

When I was a younger scouter, I remember a few 20th GRP guys, I think they where, can out to a camp out and gave use a education, that I took with me in to the Army. I still remember that Damm cold New England winter weekend.

Because of that weekend, I became a QP.

So, what ideas do you have, remember they are 11 yrs old up to 18, and its in November.

AL

[DDD]

Stick with the basics.. Key word SURVIVAL, fire starting, mind set. You can tweek the basic core to fit the older more experienced troops. I used to teach this years ago, but no hand outs survived.

[JJ_BPK]

If you need help with the water boarding!!!

I agree with 3D,, keep it simple,, shelter, fire, water.. SURVIVAL..

Not sure who would ask for an E&E?? The mind set need to run E&E is not something I would want an 10-16 yo thinking. In fact the E&E mind set is the opposite of the traditional survival skills taught to Scouts.

Additionally,, Most Scout programs lead to Merit Badges. Does the person asking have one in mind??

10 yo running an E&E lane???

E&E

• covering 40 miles, fast and at night
• Leave no trail or sign for trackers, intersperse punji stakes as available
• Eating live snakes,, do you save the skin for a garrote?
• no fires, unless you are burning enemy bodies
• leave no trace,, carry that F18 ejection seat out with you
• quickly navigate to the closest safe house with-in 300 miles

Survival

• Create an earth friendly shelter and wait for recovery
• Create fire for warmth and signaling, preferably with renewable & sustainable resources
• Find & maintain a water source
• Don't drink the yellow snow
• WII & Twitter reception above the tree line
• build an environmentally safe solar still from your copy of the WSJ

You start teaching E&E to kids and the lawyers may partake of your wallet and glutinous maxi mus...



My $00.0002


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[albeham]

JJ BPY .. DDD..

I agree with you both. Mind set.. Survival basics .. Water, Food, Shelter, Fire ..

The how to get found ..


AL

[Richard]

Concur - having been involved with Scouting for decades, I'm of the KISS principle for such activities because you'll have Scouts of all levels coming through your stations - the SURVIVAL acronym, like the ABCDE for First Aid, is a must and a good place to begin.

Or...you could always just give them each a copy of CPT Myke's survival guide and a 1-800 number to call if they're in trouble - I'm sure there's a coloring book version for kids.

Richard's $.02

[Pete]

Overnight?

Can be cold up there in November.

I would assume they would have their regular camping gear and could keep their sleeping bags, ground pads and extra cloths. Give each patrol a couple of medium size chunks of plastic and some 550 cord.

Shake down Saturday morning for food items, then some basic classes fire making, shelter, signals and food/animal prep. Then move each patrol to it's own area and have them make shelter, fire and a signal.

Don't know how well a "Kill Class" would go over but to get the idea you could go around to each patrol and drop off a couple of dressed rabbits or chickens before supper.

While not "hard core" it will make them think on how to add the plastic pieces together to make a shelter, fire with a metal match is always fun and what to do with some big chunks of meat.

Firewood goes fast in November. Will they get enough to last the night

[Sten]

Consider using the guys who are in OA and the kids with the wilderness survival and Pioneering badges as cadre.

[Razor]

This is probably a no-brainer for you, but it bears repeating for others that may be reading--boys, especially younger Scouts, have short attention spans. 1-2 hour classroom lectures will lose the audience very quickly. If you can, shoot for 15-30 minutes of instruction, followed by a supervised hands-on practical exercise.

You don't necessarily have the dearth of trees problem in MD that we do here on the Front Range, so I'm not sure how cutting evergreen bows for shelter would be received in your location. It took me a while, but I've come to terms with letting boys use tarps/ponchos/plastic sheeting/contractor garbage bags to make their overnight shelters here, so long as they show proficiency at making a frame from provided natural materials. I also show them pictures of natural material shelters (debris hut, lean-to, leeward dugout, etc.) so they understand that there are methods available if you don't have that tarp on you. Just remember, the MB requires the boy to actually build a shelter himself and spend the night in it.

If the troop has several patrols, incorporating some kind of patrol competition is always fun (kids understand and accept the concept of winners and losers, even if adults try to make everyone suck equally). Fire building races (burning through a string holding a water balloon, boiling a pint of water, etc.) are relatively easy to set up. A Jeopardy-style quiz on ground-to-air signals or other survival topics can also be fun, as can a first aid relay race.

I've also set up a "tasting" station before for the boys to sample water treated with iodine and chlorine as an attention-getter for water treatment classes.

While I'm not a bow drill fire starting proponent unless absolutely necessary, providing a few sets for the boys to try (and see how much work and practice it takes) can prove quite educational for them. Same for flint and steel (old style natural flint and carbon steel striker, not a ferrocerium rod). They quickly learn the importance of very dry and fine tinder (or char cloth).