08-08-2009, 06:18
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Las Vegas Boy Dies After Getting Stranded in Death Valley
Las Vegas Boy Dies After Getting Stranded in Death Valley
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10867128
I was wondering which folder to put this post in. Thought it would best be placed here in the fieldcraft section as an example on what not to do.
I feel sorry for the boy and the mother but..........
Read for yourself, yeah this is America but the hard side of living can jump up and slap you if you're not prepared.
".....The vehicle was found several miles off a dirt road in the middle of the desert and apparently got stuck when it drove over an underground coyote den and the soil collapsed, Lotspeich said......."
Off roading in the desert with a single vehicle requires knowledge of self recovery and just a few basic tools. A shepard's jack and D handle shovel might have been enough to fix the problem.
Read through the story and just shook my head, one thing after another leading up to a disaster.
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08-10-2009, 17:01
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A shepard's jack
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New term to me. Is this a Hi-Lift jack? 
Pat
Edit to add: No joy on Google search.
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08-10-2009, 19:43
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Hi Lift jack
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New term to me. Is this a Hi-Lift jack?
Pat
Edit to add: No joy on Google search. |
Yes that would be a Hi Lift Jack. I guess I used the old term.
A litttle odd to use with newer plastic bumper cars but with a good size base plate, some hooks & straps, a shovel and a little brain figuring you can lift & fill under just about anything and get back rolling.
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08-10-2009, 20:10
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I too was/am shaking my head after reading this, but not the same way Pete was shaking his. Some things just don't add up and smells kinda fishy to me.
They got a flat tire, she changed it, continued on, went off road, got stuck, went through their 24 16oz waters/pop-tarts/and cheese sammiches, the dog and the mom survive but the boy dies.......
I'm sorry, but my Spidey Senses are tingling on this one. Be interesting to keep an eye on the investigation with this one.
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08-10-2009, 21:34
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I'm sorry, but my Spidey Senses are tingling on this one. Be interesting to keep an eye on the investigation with this one.
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My senses as well.
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08-11-2009, 05:34
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We always had some metal fence stakes, rope, and a comealong for such a situation - a three-post anchor to attach a winch or comealong works wonders in that type of terrain.
Richard's $.02 
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08-11-2009, 05:41
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20 miles is a long way.
20 miles is a long way in the desert.
I can believe the story just because it reads like a typical "Oh, this sounds like fun. Let's do it." story.
The average person can pull out the owner's book and struggle through changing a flat tire while parked on the side of the road. But when one of your tires breaks through an underground den you find you can't get to where the book says to put the jack.
They entered a survival situation where even with limited training or pre trip prep they all would have survived.
I would hope the authorities do a real good interview with her and somewhere down the road we can read an AAR of what they did during the 5 days.
Stuck in the desert or stuck in a blizzard - both can kill the unprepared.
And in addition to what Richard said - a snatch block doubles the pulling power of a comealong.
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08-13-2009, 11:03
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Originally Posted by Sdiver
I too was/am shaking my head after reading this, but not the same way Pete was shaking his. Some things just don't add up and smells kinda fishy to me.
They got a flat tire, she changed it, continued on, went off road, got stuck, went through their 24 16oz waters/pop-tarts/and cheese sammiches, the dog and the mom survive but the boy dies.......
I'm sorry, but my Spidey Senses are tingling on this one. Be interesting to keep an eye on the investigation with this one.
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Yep.... Something does not smell right on this one. They started off with 12 quarts of water.... Its not a lot in that environment but Im wondering if the boy got any of it....
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08-14-2009, 23:12
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Yep.... Something does not smell right on this one. They started off with 12 quarts of water.... Its not a lot in that environment but Im wondering if the boy got any of it....
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Wasn't there at all, but her being a nurse should mean that she does know about dehydration, heat stroke, and the entire cascade towards death. Also, folks who adore motherhood in the OB-peds class always told me they'd give up their life for their children.
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