Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice

[Paslode]

No mention of why this person was pulled over. At the beginning of the article he had 30k in his car, by the 3 paragraph he only had 10k in the car....

I can think of a couple reasons he had 10k of ammo in his car, the No. 1 reasons a FTF sale or he just purchased it. I could see someone having lots of ammo lying around for plinking, as an investment or both. I personally would not drive around with 10k of ammo, but I have on occasion had several firearms and 1000 rounds of ammo in a vehicle.

Seems like we have had quite a few of these type stories in the past few months with guns and ammo.....this keeps up and it might make you a bit leery of taking that trip to the range with a gun and more than 1 round of ammo or making your way out of Cabellas with your purchase of (2) 500 rd Dry Boxes.

http://www.eagletribune.com/punewshh...yword=topstory

Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice

By Paul Tennant
ptennant@eagletribune.com

May 16, 2009 12:00 am

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HAVERHILL — Keni Garcia told police he intended to use the 30,000 bullets they found in his car and home for target practice.

That is hard to believe, the prosecutor at Garcia's arraignment said, because if he were to fire a gun for eight hours a day, it would take weeks for him to use all of it.

Garcia, who allegedly bought thousands of rounds of ammunition and had 10,000 bullets in his car when he was stopped by police Thursday, was ordered held on $500,000 cash bail yesterday.

Attorney Socrates de la Cruz of Lawrence, who represented Garcia, 32, of 12 Freeman St., at his arraignment in Haverhill District Court, said he will appeal the high bail in Superior Court.

Garcia is charged with three counts of possession of a high-capacity firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegal storage of a firearm. His case was continued until June 12.

Assistant District Attorney Christopher Holland asked Judge Patricia Dowling to impose $750,000 cash bail.

"He has no reason to stay here," Holland said.

The judge ordered Garcia to surrender his passport, and said that if he makes bail he is not to leave Massachusetts.

Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said.

Police arrested Garcia after he had left Interstate 495 at Exit 49 Thursday. They said they found 10,000 rounds of ammunition in his car. His two young daughters also were in the car, police said.

Holland said at Garcia's arraignment that a "joint effort" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and state police found that Garcia had previously bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire.

Garcia told police he only intended to use the bullets for target practice at a rifle range, Holland said, disputing Garcia's explanation. His common law wife, Elizabeth Reynoso, consented to a search and police found another 20,000 rounds, Holland said. They also found one .38-caliber and two 9 mm handguns, and $25,000 in cash, Holland said.

The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms. Such ammunition is "like gold in the Dominican Republic," he said.

Holland said Reynoso told police he had "a shipping type of business" and that the $25,000 in cash must have come from Garcia cashing a business check.

"Where is the crime?" de la Cruz asked. The lawyer said Garcia had lived in New Hampshire for three years before recently moving to Haverhill.

"He bought the guns legally," de la Cruz said. "He never hid the fact that he had them."

Furthermore, de la Cruz said that when Garcia moved to Haverhill, he had a 60-day grace period to obtain a Massachusetts firearms card.

"There is no crime committed," he argued, saying there was no evidence that Garcia was shipping guns or ammunition to the Dominican Republic.

He asked the judge to allow his client "to go back to his job." He said Garcia has worked at a local bakery for three years.

Yesterday, Freeman Street residents interviewed by The Eagle-Tribune said they did not know anything about Garcia or guns and ammunition being stored at or shipped from his home.

Medline Abiles, of 43 Freeman St., who resides across the street from Garcia's house, said that in the two months she has lived in the neighborhood, she has not observed any weapons or ammunition and had no reason to be suspicious. Her sister, Carmen Reyes, who visits frequently, said she also had never noticed anything suspicious at the two-family house at 12 Freeman St.

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[BigJimCalhoun]

Another important question is where can someone buy 30k, or 10k of ammo today? Most places online are sold out and here in Colorado, most of the stores are out of .223, 7.62, 22, 9, 38, 357 and 45. You can get some 270WSM or something like that though.

I grew up a few towns away from Haverhill (prounced hAv-rill by the locals). Maybe he found a Wal-Mart in NH that still had ammo.

[The Reaper]

You can carry 10,000 rounds of .22 in a rucksack.

I can put 10,000 rounds of a mix of .22 LR, .38, and 9mm on me and carry it by myself.

It may not be as much as you think it is.

TR

[nmap]

Originally Posted by BigJimCalhoun

Another important question is where can someone buy 30k, or 10k of ammo today?

ammoman.com sells in bulk. with several items having a minimum purchase of 500 rounds. Sadly, they are out of most things - but they get supplies in from time to time.

They have the ever-popular 5.7 x 28 rounds...

And also .40 hydra shoks....

[monsterhunter]

Had I made the stop and found that much ammo, It would have sparked an interest and questions would have been asked; however, I can't see any crime based on the content of the article. Either there is more to it that what is in the article, or strange things are afoot in Haverhill.

I wish I had that much ammo myself.

[longrange1947]

Massachusetts.

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

Massachusetts.

Yeah, I caught that part too.

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by monsterhunter

Had I made the stop and found that much ammo, It would have sparked an interest and questions would have been asked; however, I can't see any crime based on the content of the article. Either there is more to it that what is in the article, or strange things are afoot in Haverhill.

I wish I had that much ammo myself.

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is a whole other kettle of fish. There are many strange things afoot there. Thank God the 10th is no longer at Ft Devens.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is a whole other kettle of fish. There are many strange things afoot there. Thank God the 10th is no longer at Ft Devens.

UB,

You've got that right,that's the best thing that has happened to the 10th. Massachusetts has gotten so liberal..........

GB TFS

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

No mention of why this person was pulled over.

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

Where is answer to that question?

Source is here.

Massachusetts Legislation and Study
Massachusetts Legislation and Study In August 2000, Chapter 228 of the Acts of 2000, “An Act Providing for the Collection of Data Relative to Traffic Stops” was signed into law. Among other things, the law required that the Registry of Motor Vehicles collect data from all citations and written warnings issued in Massachusetts beginning April 1, 2001. This data included:

* Identifying characteristics of the individual who received the warning or citation, or who was arrested, including race and gender;
* The traffic infraction;
* Whether a search was conducted as a result of the stop; and
* Whether the stop resulted in a warning, citation or arrest.

The law further mandated that the Executive Office of Public Safety hire a university in Massachusetts with expertise in racial profiling data analysis to analyze the Massachusetts citation data and prepare a report. The EOPS hired Northeastern University ’s Institute on Race and Justice to conduct this study. Northeastern published its report on May 4, 2004, with significant input from a working group comprised of community organizations and advocates, state and local law enforcement agencies, state agency stakeholders, and researchers. A preliminary draft of the report was also shared with communities across Massachusetts through several regional forums.

The report analyzed citation and written warning data from 366 law enforcement agencies in Massachusetts. Under the statute, this phase of data collection did not include all traffic stops. Moreover, the analysis conducted by Northeastern was limited to race. After consultation with the sponsoring legislators, gender was not included in the analysis because the data being collected could not identify or quantify inappropriate interactions between officers and women drivers – the understood purpose of the gender component of the law.

The law empowered the Secretary of Public Safety to determine whether the data for a particular police department suggested an appearance of racial profiling and if so to order the department to collect data on all traffic stops. Based on the analysis performed by Northeastern, the Secretary concluded that for 249 police agencies (68%) there was statistically significant evidence to suggest racial disparities. The Secretary emphasized that the existence of racial disparities does not mean that a department has engaged in racial profiling, but rather that more data is needed to explore the reasons for the disparity.

In accordance with his statutory mandate, the 249 police agencies were notified that they were required to collect racial profiling data on all traffic stops. Of the 249 agencies mandated to collect more data, 130 filed appeals with the Office of the Attorney General, as permitted under the statute. In late October 2004, the Attorney General issued a decision upholding the Secretary in 128 out of the 130 appeals.

The mandated "Phase II" data collection took place from September 2005 to September 2006. In 2007, Secretary Kevin Burke sent questionnaires to all municipal police departments in Massachusetts to learn about compliance with the racial and gender profiling data collection mandated by Chapter 228 of the Acts of 2000, as well as current data collection practices. Of the 247 departments required to collect "Phase II" data for all traffic stops from, 235 responded to the survey. Of thse 235 respondents:

* 233 indicated that they had completed the mandatory data collection
* 138 continue to collect data at present, and 116 indicate that they intended to continue to collect data in the future
* 140 reported using the EOPSS-created form to collect data; 104 collected data by some other method (19 reported using more than one method)
* 191 indicated they entered data using some form of software, and 138 reported having analyzed the data

Many of these departments maintain that they were unfairly identified in "Phase I" as possibly engaging in racial profiling because they experience a heavy volume of commuter traffic from drivers who do not reside in the local jurisdiction, and that this disparity was not properly taken into account.

The final report analyzing the data is here. Pages 54, 71, and 80 have the findings for Haverhill.

Very cursory searches of the DoJ website suggests that Haverhill has some familiarity with the commonwealth's issues with organized crime centering around the Dominican Republic. Haverhill search results are here. Massachusetts search results are here.

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by BigJimCalhoun

Another important question is where can someone buy 30k, or 10k of ammo today? Most places online are sold out and here in Colorado, most of the stores are out of .223, 7.62, 22, 9, 38, 357 and 45. You can get some 270WSM or something like that though.

I grew up a few towns away from Haverhill (prounced hAv-rill by the locals). Maybe he found a Wal-Mart in NH that still had ammo.

While Wal-Mart is out nearly everywhere there are still places you can buy in bulk, like gun stores, I was at one this weekend that had at least 10K in 7.62x39 and close to that in 7.62x51, though you'd need a truck to haul it all. Wish I had the cash I'd buy 5k of each right now.

But as others have said 10K in 22 LR, 38, or 9mm really isn't that much.

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by Defender968

While Wal-Mart is out nearly everywhere there are still places you can buy in bulk, like gun stores, I was at one this weekend that had at least 10K in 7.62x39 and close to that in 7.62x51, though you'd need a truck to haul it all. Wish I had the cash I'd buy 5k of each right now.

But as others have said 10K in 22 LR, 38, or 9mm really isn't that much.

Back in the 90's with the ban on "black rifles", I decided to try to keep about a 5 year supply on hand, in terms of loaded and reloading components. Then when one figures out how many rounds that is, 10K is not unusual. One of the problem in our society, people like to tell other people how to live. Even gun owners do that and in certain instances they help the anti-gun nuts. Example is, "He don't need that _______ for hunting." As if hunting should be the only reason/use for a firearm.

Also I would like to blame the Wall Street Journal on this issue. There was a article about firearms and ammo being a very good investment today.

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

Back in the 90's with the ban on "black rifles", I decided to try to keep about a 5 year supply on hand, in terms of loaded and reloading components. Then when one figures out how many rounds that is, 10K is not unusual. One of the problem in our society, people like to tell other people how to live. Even gun owners do that and in certain instances they help the anti-gun nuts. Example is, "He don't need that _______ for hunting." As if hunting should be the only reason/use for a firearm.

Also I would like to blame the Wall Street Journal on this issue. There was a article about firearms and ammo being a very good investment today.

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?

I think you hit the nail on the head. My 90 yr old mom, each month when her 'checks' come in.. she hits the gun store and gets her "Hi Miss Daisy, you want your usual?" dealer actually sets aside a 2 boxes of each for her guns and mine that she keeps for me.. She casually mentioned to her neighbor in her very exclusive enclave that she had both guns and LOTS Of ammo. The poor woman nearly had a cow and told mom, " well _I_ would not have guns and I don't think you should either. " What gives anyone the right to tell ME or my mom what to do. Same woman called me gun toting hippy a few weeks back. She got that from the NRA and Peace sign stickers on my back window. Hey, that might be an improvement over what my son called me online to his gaming friends.. a 'right wing hippy'. Is there such an animal.. lmao..

There will always be those who think they have some sort of god given right to inform their neighbors that the only opinion that matters is their's and they will always seek to put their opinions, ideas, an agendas down someone else's throat.. I believe we call them politicians.. YMMV.
Fair Winds..

[grog18b]

I've never really counted my ammo... I figure, if I run out, I can reload or buy more. Now and again I get to Gander Mtn to buy a brick of 22, or pick up some other stuff. Ammo prices have gone sky high since I last bought any. I know I have "enough" ammo. Of course... My definition of "enough" might vary greatly from someone else's definition of "enough".

I've never believed that one person has any "right" to tell another how to, or how not to, exercise a right. Apparently, you right wing hippies, draw those people like flies.

From my experience, there are only 5 ways to earn big dollars,...

1. Drugs
2. Racketeering
3. Guns
4. Prostitution

and

5. Telecom Construction

And you can go to jail for all of them.


WD

Originally Posted by HOLLiS

I bought a brick of .22LR on sale for $7.00, it now sells for $30.00. Where else can a person get this kind of ROI?