08-24-2008, 12:54
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Draganov accuracy helps?
First let me make clear I am not a long gun guy, so be gentle
I have 12 Draganovs that are sitting in my arms room that have been collecting dust for years
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I taught a couple basic skills courses with them to some of my CAT support guys
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S/O deployment
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I understand the requirement for matched ammo but all I have to work with is standard 7.62 x 54 (520 cases of the stuff) soo thats what my biggest
limitation is.
What my question is , is are there any kits or replacement parts for these thing that would make them more accurate ? Right now I feel pretty lucky getting a kill zone hit at over 300 meters
If there are replacement barrels or better glass then whats on them now let me know.
If not you'll be able to pick them out of my trash can soon
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08-24-2008, 17:51
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A Dragunov is not really a precision weapon, but it is a lot more accurate than an AK.
That having been said, the chamber and barrel should be inspected by someone who knows what they are doing, and you will need to get the match ammo to get the max accuracy from them. I would also have someone take a close look at the scope and mounts to ensure that they are tight and tracking properly.
Best of luck.
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08-24-2008, 18:33
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Originally Posted by sfmedicw9
What my question is , is are there any kits or replacement parts for these thing that would make them more accurate ?
Right now I feel pretty lucky getting a kill zone hit at over 300 meters
If there are replacement barrels or better glass then whats on them now let me know.
If not you'll be able to pick them out of my trash can soon
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300 M is not bad.. What models do you have? Soviet SVD, Chinese NDM-86, Tiger, Romak PSL... Love to see some pictures..
There are a couple things you can get someone to:
- Take the flash hider off and put a target crown the barrel
- Make up a bi-pod that uses the bottom of the sight/gas port block as the contact point
- Lap the bolt lugs
- Re-set the barrel and re cut the chamber to allow the head space on the shoulder rather than the rim
To improve the sights, get some Krebs Custom rear sight rails. They attach to the rear sight mount. Then bridge back to the stock trunnion, forming a ridged base for a WEAVER - PICATINNY based sight system. I think someone is importing Polish Tantal parts that are similar. The Krebs are for AK/AKM, may or may not fit, if not Krebs may custom build some specials.
The use some better glass..
http://www.krebscustom.com/PartsPage...kovParts.shtml
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08-25-2008, 10:59
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all soviet - which actualy was the reason i got those i figured they would be a little better than the others ive seen floating around.
I agree 300+ into the kill zone is indeed a good shot with these. Ive always grimmaced when they say Draganov "sniper" rifle
Even if i got "match" ammo for these things and donate my x54 stash to the aussies and their FNs what is a realistic expectation of these things as is and if i did invest in the above "fixes"
also that mount for the glass makes it difficult to match up glass
In the interest of full disclosure - i am no fan of anything eastern block but you work with what you got. look forward to the day when i can bulldoze all this commie crap
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08-25-2008, 12:36
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Originally Posted by sfmedicw9
all soviet - which actualy was the reason i got those i figured they would be a little better than the others ive seen floating around.
I agree 300+ into the kill zone is indeed a good shot with these. Ive always grimmaced when they say Draganov "sniper" rifle
Even if i got "match" ammo for these things and donate my x54 stash to the aussies and their FNs what is a realistic expectation of these things as is and if i did invest in the above "fixes"
also that mount for the glass makes it difficult to match up glass
In the interest of full disclosure - i am no fan of anything eastern block but you work with what you got. look forward to the day when i can bulldoze all this commie crap
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What FNs are the Aussies using that takes 7.62x54R?
TR
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08-26-2008, 10:17
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quite a mix of FNs
I have a few of the old egyptian FNs with arabic writing here that are 7.62x57 Im not a 100% sure on where they got theres but i think they have some that came from a French Foreign Legionaire who got them in of all places south america
SAFN ?? sound right? ive shot a lot of x54s out of the x57s Not for nothing but I wouldnt want to carry those suckers all day long - they have more steel in them than a VW Bus
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08-26-2008, 10:57
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quite a mix of FNs
I have a few of the old egyptian FNs with arabic writing here that are 7.62x57 Im not a 100% sure on where they got theres but i think they have some that came from a French Foreign Legionaire who got them in of all places south america
SAFN ?? sound right? ive shot a lot of x54s out of the x57s Not for nothing but I wouldnt want to carry those suckers all day long - they have more steel in them than a VW Bus
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Not familiar with the 7.62x57.
I know that the FN-49 (or SAFN-49) was chambered for the 7x57 (7mm Mauser), 7.62x51 (NATO), 7.62x63 (.30-06), 7.65x53 (Argentine), and the 7.92x57 (8mm Mauser), but the FN-49 does not look much like the FN-FAL. I have owned two of them in 7x57. The Egyptians did buy the FN-49 in 7.92x57.
The 7.62x54R, which is rimmed, will not fit, function, or fire in any of the other rounds discussed. The 7.62x54R will not chamber in the 7.92x57. The much fatter case of the 7.62x54R will not fit into the chamber due to its larger diameter at the shoulder and base, and the rim is a lot larger than the bolt face of the 7.92x57, so it will not feed either.
Curious.
Nevertheless, the Russian arsenals claim (FWIW) that the standard 7.62x54R ammo is required to be sub 2.8 moa at 300m, and the Match version should be sub .9 moa. Clearly, the accuracy issue should be with the rifle or the optics and mount.
TR
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