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Old 10-25-2007, 08:53   #1
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Empty holsters on campus

Students Strap On Empty Holsters to Protest Gun Restrictions on Campus
Wednesday, October 24, 2007

By Melissa Underwood


College students across the country have been strapping empty holsters around their waists this week to protest laws that prohibit concealed weapons on campus, citing concerns over campus shootings.

"People who would otherwise be able to defend themselves are left defenseless when on campus," said Ethan Bratt, a graduate student wearing an empty holster this week on the campus of Seattle Pacific University.

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a group of college students, parents and citizens who organized after the deadly shootings at Virginia Tech University in April, launched the protest.

A national debate over gun laws on campus began in the wake of those shootings, in which a deranged student killed 32 people in a classroom building before committing suicide. It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Campuses are prime targets for people intent on harming others because laws prohibit concealed weapons there, Bratt said.

But others believe college is no place for firearms.

"You don't like the fact that you can't have a gun on your college campus? Drop out of school," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

When someone pulls out a gun and starts firing in a crowded environment, it's more likely that additional victims will be harmed, Hamm said.

"Let's be grateful that those holsters are empty," he said.

A group of 12 students chose to wear empty holsters to class this week at the University of Idaho as part of the nationwide protest.

Aled Baker, a junior, said he loses his constitutional right to protect himself and others when he steps on campus.

"It's null and void when you go on campus," the mechanical engineering student said.

Baker, a sportsman and hunter, has a license to carry a concealed handgun and hopes the protest will get people talking about the issue.

Many universities, like George Washington University, prohibit carrying concealed handguns on campuses.

"We do not allow weapons on campus for the safety and security of our student body and faculty," said Tracy Schario, spokeswoman for George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

Justin Turner, a senior in criminology and history at Florida State University, also wants the ability to carry a concealed handgun on campus.

"I'm hoping that people actually realize that this is something that college students are serious about moving forward and realize that it's not about taking the law into your own hands; it's about taking personal responsibility for yourself," said Turner, chairman of the Florida State chapter of Students for the Second Amendment.

Congress is considering legislation that would tighten background checks and give states funding to submit information to a national database that would prevent guns from being sold to dangerous buyers. House lawmakers passed the legislation, but it remains in the Senate.

"It fixes the problem that the states are not submitting the necessary records of people who have been found by a court to be dangerously mentally ill," Hamm said.

Family members and survivors of the Virginia Tech shootings recently visited members of Congress to urge lawmakers to pass the legislation they believe could help prevent future tragedies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304806,00.html
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Old 10-25-2007, 13:21   #2
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I'm surprised that they have not been detained and asked questions by campus security. It's halloween and it's just apparel.

I suppose we'll hear of that later.
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Old 10-25-2007, 14:11   #3
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You don't like the fact that you can't have a gun on your college campus? Drop out of school," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

When someone pulls out a gun and starts firing in a crowded environment, it's more likely that additional victims will be harmed, Hamm said.

"Let's be grateful that those holsters are empty," he said
Jesus f***ing christ, this really rates #1 at "The all time stupidest words uttered by an anti-gun sheep"

Drop out of school, right..

And if a crazed lunatic starts firing on innocent, defenseless students, gee Mr. Rocket Scientist, you dont think that "additional victims will be harmed"
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Old 10-25-2007, 14:26   #4
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A group of 12 students chose to wear empty holsters to class this week at the University of Idaho as part of the nationwide protest.

Aled Baker, a junior, said he loses his constitutional right to protect himself and others when he steps on campus.

"It's null and void when you go on campus," the mechanical engineering student said.

Baker, a sportsman and hunter, has a license to carry a concealed handgun and hopes the protest will get people talking about the issue.
Aled is one of my best friends, and I am one of those 12 students who are wearing empty holsters this week here at UI. I'm glad we got some sort of media attention.
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Old 10-26-2007, 19:52   #5
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Aled is one of my best friends, and I am one of those 12 students who are wearing empty holsters this week here at UI. I'm glad we got some sort of media attention.
Good for you and your friends Maytime!
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Old 10-25-2007, 15:29   #6
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Jesus f***ing christ, this really rates #1 at "The all time stupidest words uttered by an anti-gun sheep"

Drop out of school, right..

And if a crazed lunatic starts firing on innocent, defenseless students, gee Mr. Rocket Scientist, you dont think that "additional victims will be harmed"
Peter Hamm is notorious for opening his mouth and inserting his left foot when he is quoted from the Brady camp.

This is merely the ill concieved perception of gun owners by the Brady following and their staff. "Thank God those holsters are empty" However, if your in uniform, serving as campus security then thank god their stuffed with a firearm Why ? because their trained to use them. Really ? Where? Who trained them ? When was their last qualification and how was that qaulification conducted ? Just because you wear the pistol on your hip doe's not qualify them to be any better prepared than you or I when faced with a deadly threat. I'd go so far as to say that on my campus, I am probably more trained than any one of the campus security police. I can document my training and it isn't just a week at the academy. I'm no super jedi master SF soldier or Navy SEAL, but my training has come from those very same soldiers and sailors. I'm sure some here will agree with me and some will not.

I have heard Peter Hamm say that "If teachers had guns on campus they could lose them" I have to wonder where they find representatives like Peter Hamm for their cause. The perception is that all we gun owners want to do is shoot something with two legs. That we'll be become gun toting crazed nuts due to the fact that a gun has super cult like powers that whisper in our ear "shoot someone now, it's fun"

When Peter Hamm is faced with statistics and facts from sources like UCR or USDOJ concerning violent crime with guns he generally resorts to attacks on gun owners, rediculous scenarios where the gun owner would disarmed, and that the gun owner would resort to shooting into a crowded area.

The lack of understanding is much like that of zombies in "Night of the living dead" We're all just a bunch of crazed gun nuts and we will cause more harm than good. Of course there is no qaulified or qauntifed data to support his rediculous claims of how you or I would respond in a deadly threat situation.

In other words, Peter Hamm just makes stuff up as he goes along during debates concerning the RKBA and it's protection under the 2nd Amendment. If the only debate talking point that Peter Hamm and the Brady bunch have is guessing on human behavior, then I'm afraid their entire cause is a colossal waste of contributors dollars. They have alway's had scant data, influenced their data with eronious numbers included that should not be, and flat out lied about crime data in the past. What makes today any more valuable for them ?

Remember, Jim Brady was shot with a .22Lr revolver, not a Tec-Nine, Glock, H&K, UZI, MP5, AR15, SKS, SPR, M60, .50 BMG etc.

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Old 10-25-2007, 17:00   #7
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If students who want to carry guns can just drop out, could we have separate (but equal) school for students and faculty who believed in self-defense?

Why not just tell students who are afraid of the guns to just drop out?

And maybe illegal immigrants will just go home?

I wonder if he knows how many fellow students are packing illegally around him every day?

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Old 10-25-2007, 17:13   #8
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If students who want to carry guns can just drop out, could we have separate (but equal) school for students and faculty who believed in self-defense?

Why not just tell students who are afraid of the guns to just drop out?

And maybe illegal immigrants will go home?

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Well said Sir!

I know that a couple of my Profs were carrying. Hell, one of them had a bayonette in class (for discussion)...Said Profs of course taught American History, one was former CIA, the other prior Army.

All-in-all, If a fellow classmate has a permit, bring it! The hallways and stairwell from my third floor classrooms are mighty tight.

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Old 10-26-2007, 21:14   #9
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I wonder if he knows how many fellow students are packing illegally around him every day?

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I know I did/do... I guess I would rather apologize for defending myself and living and pay the price. Its better than not doing so and dying... IMHO.
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