Obama speaks about his religion..

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html

He is heading down the wrong road IMHO, but then again some of us already new this about him. In Christianity's view he will obtain the status of a "False Prophet" and a very evil one at that because he will be playing both sides of the field and the end zones. Does the American population in general not see this in him?

[sg1987]

Wright had been scheduled to speak at Obama’s Feb. 10 presidential announcement. But after news of the remarks were published, the senator apparently changed his mind the night before and chose the Rev. Otis Moss III, Wright’s successor at Trinity United Church of Christ

Sounds like a receiver trying to "push off "from a defensive back- guess he needs a little separation

[The Reaper]

It takes a special kind of duplicitiousness to claim that when you are a Muslim and our country is under attack by Muslims.

TR

[TooTall]

If I'm not mistaken, TR, his father was a Muslim, and his mother was Christian. The Senator is a "Christian", though not exactly of the Orthodox sort (understatement). Not that it really matters anyway; he's a democrat.

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by TooTall

If I'm not mistaken, TR, his father was a Muslim, and his mother was Christian. The Senator is a "Christian", though not exactly of the Orthodox sort (understatement). Not that it really matters anyway; he's a democrat.

That I think is the essence of this. I know his past religious beliefs/teachings has been raised as a issue. Sounds like he is distancing himself from that past or view that he is/was a Muslim. Interesting in that the D's tend to take a secular position.

Being tainted by the "Democratic" label is another concern.

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

It takes a special kind of duplicitiousness to claim that when you are a Muslim and our country is under attack by Muslims.

TR

It may be duplicitous, but when you know in your heart of hearts that the mainstream media will never call you on it you kinda just go for it.

The sad thing is that liberals really do believe that Christians in general are stupid enough to fall for this crap. When they get together at their social functions they look down their nose at people with faith and openly mock their intelligence. If you don't believe me just bring up intelligent design with a liberal and listen to the venom and contempt in their voices. Hell they even wrote an entire book about the stupidity of the people in Kansas for voting Republican. Number one on the list of complaints about the Jayhawks is their faith.

They hate Christians them yet they find themselves needing them to win national office, or at least they need them to stay home and not vote for their opponents. So now we are left with the sad spectacle Hillary and Obama trying to out bible thump each other and everyone with half a brain sees it for the farce that it is.

I was watching and listening to the female speaker of this video on the Trinity United Church of God. I was always taught that the real TRINITY was the Father (God), the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit/Ghost. In this video they make it sound more like it is Culture, Community, and then Christ. As you continue to listen and watch this video, you get a keen sense of "self" being more important than anything else. They also make sure that it is known to others that they are a from Africa which is stated continually by name or by culture (African Culture). Doesn't this kind of remind you of some of the mind control techniques used by the Japanese in WWII and later the Chinese in Korea. In God's world nothing could be farther from the truth. I am just wondering if he and others like him are trying to start up a Civil War II in this country.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9oXrK0LazE

Jesus in the Bible has always taught us that "self" is evil and sinful and everything we do is to the Glory of our Lord and Father, not self.

IMHO, this all makes Obama an even more dangerous person to this great nation and all Chrisitans and Jews living here.

[mdb23]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

If you don't believe me just bring up intelligent design with a liberal and listen to the venom and contempt in their voices.

I react that way to intelligent design, and I'm not liberal.

[The Reaper]

Obama's preacher is more than a little racist, if you look at some of his views, and listen to some of his statements. He sounds like some leftover 60's black socialist.

I find his newfound faith, and Hillary's, more than a little phony.

TR

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

From what I've read, both evolution and intelligent design have flaws in them, but also both have portions that make sense, so I think it's a combo of both.

If you want a hard science look at the intelligent design side of things, check this out:

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/


I haven't had time to read all of it, but the "Origins of the Grand Canyon" part rings true to me.
I get to see the Marble Canyon area up close and personal 2 to 4 times per day, depending on dispatch.

[nmap]

Originally Posted by MAB32

Does the American population in general not see this in him?

No, of course they don't see it. Consider the rate of functional illiteracy. Reflect on the ability of people to understand compound interest. View a network news report. The American population is more interested in how Princess Diana died a decade ago than they are in the details of politics.

How is Obama presented? Young, articulate, innovative - which are all good by definition in our present culture. He is also presented as a non-threatening black. This appeals to those who will support a black candidate as proof, both to themselves and others, that they are not racist.

But I think Obama's real purpose is to create a false sense of drama. He is not unlike the distraction a magician uses to divert our attention from something else - in this case, Hillary's advance.

[82ndtrooper]

I'm tired of this BS !!

If these people want to see a real minority, then I invite them to take a bus trip to Hazard, Kentucky. There is a real minority with little education, little or no work/employment opportunities yet their church's are filled with members of the community that actually do believe in the Christ. I'm betting you won't find any minister, pastor or preacher with tenants anything close to singling out their devastated social and economical structure and status let alone mentioning themselves as a minority. Their suffering is suffering none the less, just as the percieved suffering that Blacks insist on preaching on Sunday mornings, at least in Reverends Wrights case.

Why is it that suffering alway's seem to take on a more dramatic face when it's a black man preaching about it ?

Obama is clearly distancing himself from what is the percieved self proclaimed suffering of the black man from Mr. Wrights theological and political distorted view point.

It's a bit late, especially when the press follows every move that a candidate makes. There isn't much that can be kept secret when you decided to hold yourself out as the next the next POTUS. It seems the Democrats alway's hit a road block when the issue of religion and Christianity come into play. Does anybody actually believe that Hillary and Bill are Christians when we see them entering a church on the Sunday "Meet The Press" special ?

[Dub]

Originally Posted by 82ndtrooper

I'm tired of this BS !!

If these people want to see a real minority, then I invite them to take a bus trip to Hazard, Kentucky. There is a real minority with little education, little or no work/employment opportunities yet their church's are filled with members of the community that actually do believe in the Christ. I'm betting you won't find any minister, pastor or preacher with tenants anything close to singling out their devastated social and economical structure and status let alone mentioning themselves as a minority. Their suffering is suffering none the less, just as the percieved suffering that Blacks insist on preaching on Sunday mornings, at least in Reverends Wrights case.

Why is it that suffering alway's seem to take on a more dramatic face when it's a black man preaching about it ?

Obama is clearly distancing himself from what is the percieved self proclaimed suffering of the black man from Mr. Wrights theological and political distorted view point.

It's a bit late, especially when the press follows every move that a candidate makes. There isn't much that can be kept secret when you decided to hold yourself out as the next the next POTUS. It seems the Democrats alway's hit a road block when the issue of religion and Christianity come into play. Does anybody actually believe that Hillary and Bill are Christians when we see them entering a church on the Sunday "Meet The Press" special ?

You make a great point 82nd . Because this glorificaton and revelry in being a 'minority' by people other than whites IS BS. Isnt the whole point of reducing racial tensions to come together as Americans, not constantly be bringing up racial differences and going off with the same group of people all the time! Kinda destroys the possibility of "minorities" truly assimilating into the population.

The 'white society', or whatever facticious society which has no human rights, that the minister prescribes to hate just does not exist.

And like you point out what should be taken into account is the status, or opportunities from whence people come. Whether it be a small town in Kentucky or somewhere else, not race.

HOw the hell can someone running for POTUS even still be a viable candidate after associating himself with such obvious racism. Such crap these days that conservatives and christians and white folks feel pressure to accept everything else while being pressured out of their own traditions by Liberals. And if we try to speak out we are made to look like we are heartless and have no morals.

CAN you imagine the firestorm which would have resulted if this was a conservative going to this pastor. It would be in the MSM for days and would destroy the candidate's viability completely.

- Dub

I also believe that in today's society one can easily "act" in his/hers' position on various items of controvery and still remain a viable canadate for the POTUS. We can all name a few POTUS that have done that in the past with Bill Clinton being probably the worst. I also know that with Obama, he has the ability to take public "undesirables" such as this pastor and keep him stored away until it's time to turn to him again (ie., When he becomes the POTUS). He would do this by trying hard to make some distance between himself and this pastor. In reality what he is doing is taking this situation and putting it on the back burner for a later time. By doing this it is slick, easily obtainable, and easily hidden away from prying eyes. Obama still loves this guy and is definately a wolf in sheeps clothing. A very dangerous man indeed. IMHO

[82ndtrooper]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

On The O'Reilly Factor last night, during the body language segment, they showed an interview done with Nancy Pelosi recently in which she said she prays for our soldiers to have victory and also that she prays for president Bush. Then the interviewer asked her, exactly what does she pray for him, and she became completely tongue-tied and changed the subject. The body language woman said she (Pelosi) completely had no idea what to say.

Regarding Obama, I have heard some people say that if he becomes President, Oprah might have a lot of indirect influence over the United States, since she is such a big financial resource for him, don't know how true that is.

I don't believe a word out of Nancy Pelosi's mouth. She is another liberal democrat from Kalifornia with socalist desires for the United States and she loathes the military just as the Clintons do. If she said she prayed for the troops, then I'm taking it with a grain of salt to wash down the bad taste in my mouth .