Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > The Early Bird

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-03-2007, 09:34   #1
82ndtrooper
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,189
Dems furious over Libby's commutation

As could easily be predicted the dems are furious this morning over the Presidents descision to commute the 2.5 year jail sentence of Scooter Libby. Gee, Imagine that ?

One democrat this morning on CNBC compaired the Paris Hilton jail term to Scooter Libby. How much more of this oral vomit can the Americans stand ? I can smell their puke all the way here in Kentucky.

Here's my personal thoughts: Valerie Plame was about as "covert" as someone waving a flag out their apartment window with an CIA emblem blowing in the wind. She did in fact work as a covered operative under the Bruster Jennings Inc cover in Europe, however she was terminated from her posistion and brought back to work in a cubicle at Langley along with her daily Mocca Latte from the campus cafeteria at the time that her name was mentioned, or not mentioned by someone within the executive branch of the POTUS. I believe an anonymous agent was quoted in the National Review as "having been so poor with her trade craft that she was suited better at Langley than being part of the counter proliferation ops under the Bruster Jennings Inc cover"

Joe Wilson, an outspoken critic of the Presidents foreign policy and decision to invade Iraq was her husbund who for some incredibly odd reason was sent to Africa to investigate the import and or manufacture of "Yello Cake" Why was he sent and who made this decision ? Again, Valerie Plame was already not a consideration, so her husbund was chosen. Why ?

In my personal opinion there was never any "Outing" of Valerie Plame as a covert operative with the agency. The democrats, lead by Joe Wilson made this a two year investigation with congressional hearings and a heap of coverage over the MSM as some sort of major crime. Maybe it was, maybe it was not. I dont give a hoot about some lady working at Langley in a cubicle. Since when do real operatives actually get a cubicle at Langley ? I'll tell ya. When they have lost respect from their peers within the clandistine service of the agency. Just ask Bob Baer he's now written two books that are clearly out of his own anger for being drawn from the field for poor trade craft and rogue decisions. He's had an axe to grind with the agency since he was let go.

Scotter Libby is only one man that the President has commuted his sentence. I think it's a good kick in the balls to the democrats for spending the Americans tax payers dollars for yet another poke at the administration.

Whether you agree or disagree with me you have to remember that Bill Clinton pardoned 173 individuals on his LAST OFFICIAL DAY as President. He pardoned Bill Rich, a billionaire who fled the country to avoid being prosecuted for major tax evasion charges. By the way, his wife was suspected as another of Bill Clintons "side strokes" If Hillary wants to raise taxes, then let her collect the back owed taxes from Bill Rich, who her husbund pardoned on his last hour of service in the Oval Office. Hillary has already voiced her disgust with the commutation of Scooter Libby. Did she forget the 173 individuals that her husbund pardoned ? I'd like to know what crimes each and every one of those 173 had been charged with.

I suggest that President Bush just pardone him altogether. That's another good kick in the nuts for the democrats.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287790,00.html

Last edited by 82ndtrooper; 07-03-2007 at 09:45.
82ndtrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 09:47   #2
Ret10Echo
Quiet Professional
 
Ret10Echo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Occupied America....
Posts: 4,740
Gee, President Bush is the first to EVER do this....not!


http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardons6b.htm
__________________
"There are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations"

James Madison
Ret10Echo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 10:37   #3
The Reaper
Quiet Professional
 
The Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 24,829
Klinton appears to have had a real issue with courts martial.

He pardoned people all the way back to 1891. Wonder if they were still being held?

I noticed his brother got a pardon for his cocaine dealing, his Whitewater pals got excused, as did his convicted cabinet members. Lots of pardons for Arkansas residents, too.

Hmm, they weren't complaining then.

TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910

De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
The Reaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 10:41   #4
incommin
Quiet Professional
 
incommin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South Georiga
Posts: 797
It is always a matter of who's ox is getting gored...... all things are political these days. Integrity and selfless service is lacking on both sides of the isles in DC.

Jim
__________________
Breaking a law or violation of a regulation is not a mistake. It is willful misconduct.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." [Samuel Adams]


Jim
incommin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 11:07   #5
82ndtrooper
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by incommin
It is always a matter of who's ox is getting gored...... all things are political these days. Integrity and selfless service is lacking on both sides of the isles in DC.

Jim
Your certainly correct in your statment and cannot disagree with you.

However, if you listen to a liberal Bush hater, you'd think that this was the first time a President has commuted a sentence in the history of all Presidents that have served our country. The younger generation, deeply rooted with left ideology, seems to be brainwashed to the point that in the face of facts and acts of corruption that Bill Clinton could not have possibly pardoned persons such as Bill Rich, a large campaign contributor, a wife that was rumored to have been another of Clintons bed buddys, and major tax evasion, the very initiative that liberal democrats want so badly to raise if they are elected.............TAXES.

Valerie Plames husbund was just on CNBC and he said "The Presidents act of commuting Scooter Libby's sentence is a sign that even he may have obstucted justice" ..............What ?

What was and is the fascination with Bill Klinton and his Presidency to these crack pots ?

If I saw Bill Klinton trip into a busy city street in front of a bus I would take pictures and then walk the other direction. I've actually thought of purchasing Bill Klintons autobiography and using every page as toilet paper and filming it to put on UTUBE.
82ndtrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 11:12   #6
x-factor
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 462
I don't want to get into a political debate. With regards to this post:
- Criticizing Bush in this instance has nothing to do with excusing what other Presidents have done.
- Criticizing Bush for the pardon does not mean that Wilson didn't have his own agenda or that he's right about any of the Iraq stuff.
- Criticizing Bush for this pardon is criticizing Bush for completely disrespecting the level of the crime committed here and the seriousness of the potential consequences.

Libby (among others) should swing for the Plame thing. You don't ever mess with cover. Ever. Period. Never. Ever. Never... Sometimes? No really, never. But what if her hus-? NO, NEVER.

There is no "well, she's undercover but not really." If she's undercover, then she's undercover and you protect that because its about more than just her career. I don't care what her husband said or did.

A smart counter-intel analyst can potentially take that one little piece of information (her identity) and track Plame back to her sources, her coworkers, any issues she worked, etc. There's a possibility that someone got a bullet in their head as a result of this whole fiasco. Not to mention the fact that it becomes harder to recruit sources when they think they could eventually be exposed to their internal security ministry by someone's silly political agenda back in DC.

82nd...You're a good guy and you're entitled to your opinion, but you don't know what you're talking about in this case. People in every intel agency rotate between field and headquarters assignments all the time. Its the same way military officers rotate between staff jobs and field commands as they move up the chain. You misunderstood Baer's books if you think having a job in DC necessarily means you're a do-nothing.
__________________
The strength of a nation is its knowledge. -Welsh Proverb

X
x-factor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2007, 13:21   #7
echoes
Area Commander
 
echoes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: OK. Thanking Our Brave Soldiers
Posts: 3,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
Klinton appears to have had a real issue with courts martial.

He pardoned people all the way back to 1891. Wonder if they were still being held?

I noticed his brother got a pardon for his cocaine dealing, his Whitewater pals got excused, as did his convicted cabinet members. Lots of pardons for Arkansas residents, too.

Hmm, they weren't complaining then.

TR
Sir,

Now those who are "liberal" and claim the middle of the road, SHOULD look at their party's track record. Just my .02, whaterever.

I cannot believe that Klinton is even a consideration for them? Don't they realize that she is a divisor among their party...not a uniter?

Holly

Last edited by echoes; 07-08-2007 at 09:09.
echoes is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:35.



Copyright 2004-2022 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies