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View Poll Results: The General Presidential Election
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Hillary Rodham Clinton
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Rudolph Giuliani
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Vote for third-party or stay home in protest
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06-12-2007, 20:13
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Consigliere
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Make The Choice
You may not like it, but the chances are pretty good (in my opinion) that this is the choice you'll have to make in November 2008. So what choice would you make today if this were your choice?
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06-12-2007, 20:38
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I don't believe this will be the 2008 pairing.
TS
FYI, I'm done voting for the GOP after Mr. Bush decided to allow 12-20 million illegal criminals citizenship.
I'll be voting for the independants.
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06-12-2007, 20:55
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I agree with TS; don't think that will be the 08 choice.
I'll vote independent before either of those two.
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06-12-2007, 21:23
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Fred Thompson
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06-12-2007, 21:49
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I'd vote for Giuliani, but that's because I think Clinton is the anti-Christ and must be defeated at all costs.
FWIW, I don't think this is going to be the ultimate pairing either. I think there are too many sexists and Hillary haters out there - its the first time in my life I'm totally banking on the sexist male population to hook me up.
On the GOP side... I'm a total hold-out and optimist and I can't believe that the extreme religious right will ever tolerate the left-leaning, twice divorced, Giuliani.
I shutter to think I'm banking on crazy people to make sure this is a decent ticket...
***Edited because spelling is our friend***
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06-12-2007, 22:02
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Hmmmm, perhaps we need a wager on who the nominees will be since you people don't think I know things . . . 
In any event, this poll is designed to test what our members will do if this ends up being the matchup, so please humor me.
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06-13-2007, 06:04
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Hear hear! Too early for this RL.
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06-13-2007, 06:09
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Hopefully Fred Thompson
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06-13-2007, 04:01
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I don't believe this will be the 2008 pairing.
TS
FYI, I'm done voting for the GOP after Mr. Bush decided to allow 12-20 million illegal criminals citizenship.
I'll be voting for the independants.
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All choices in the poll are lousy. (and could be actual choices)
Voting independent is how Bill Clinton got elected the first time. Given the above choices Giuliani is the only viable option. While I disagree with his abortion stand and despise his 2nd Amendment view he is the best pick of the above three IMHO. He is the most likely to step up the pressure against Islam and kill who needs to be killed. I think you have to be realistic, a third party candidate does not have the juice to win a presidential election today. I hope RL is wrong and we have a true conservative candidate to vote for. Short of that I will vote for the MOST conservative. My .02
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06-13-2007, 06:11
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I don't believe this will be the 2008 pairing.
TS
FYI, I'm done voting for the GOP after Mr. Bush decided to allow 12-20 million illegal criminals citizenship.
I'll be voting for the independants.
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Sir,
Agreed.
IMHO, the party has changed its values. 
Holly
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06-13-2007, 06:46
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I am going to concur with the popular opinion here.
I do not think that this will be the pairing, I agree that the GOP under the leadership of the POTUS has abandoned its core values, and I will probably stay at home if those are the nominees or vote for an independent. Fred is already jumping in the polls without spending a dime. Even if he does not raise the kind of money Romney has (for all of the good it is doing him), he can run effectively with small internet donations, ala Dean. After all, it is four years later, and the game has changed further.
Frankly, I do not see much difference between Rudy and Hillary's positions. One would be as bad as the other.
Since you seem to be a big Giuliani fan, Counselor, where exactly do he and Hillary disagree, other than in their party affiliation?
Then explain how he is going to win when a third of his party stays home or votes for an Indy.
TR
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06-13-2007, 07:10
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I would have a similar opinion on the real lack of separation of the two. Rudy G. appears on the surface to be a large wooden elephant being rolled up to the gates of the city.
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06-14-2007, 08:32
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not much of a choice....  ..............Fred Thompson....would be a better choice for me. It's still early and elections have a way of changing the front leaders....remember Howard Dean?
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06-13-2007, 09:41
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Since you seem to be a big Giuliani fan, Counselor, where exactly do he and Hillary disagree, other than in their party affiliation?
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I am not a big Giuliani fan, but I would not hesitate to vote for him if the choice is between him and Hillary. I do not have time right now to catalogue the differences between the two but, with all due respect, your statement that they are virtually indistinguishable is ridiculous hyperbole. He certainly is liberal on many issues, but to say that he and Hillary are identical is just silly.
Perhaps someone else would like to provide some examples for TR? If no one does, I will try to get to this later.
In 1992, I voted libertarian because I was disgusted with George Bush's betrayal of me and others who had supported him in 1988. In fact, there is an old newspaper article out there somewhere starting off saying that I was "George Bush's worst nightmare," a staunch Republican who wouldn't support him because he had abandoned his base. My rationale was identical to that espoused by many here now. Many others voted as I did (for Perot, a third-party, or not at all), and we ended up with Bill Clinton for 8 years. Looking back, I do not believe that having a Democrat in the White House "woke people up" or otherwise advanced the conservative agenda. To the contrary, we took many steps back and we still have not recovered. I would vote differently this time around.
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06-13-2007, 12:36
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Perhaps someone else would like to provide some examples for TR?
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She's the devil? He's not.
He's a boy, she's...
I'm intrigued enough by RL's assertions that I'm going to spend some serious time researching Giuliani. I hadn't done so as I didn't figure he was anything but a distraction - I mean SERIOUSLY. I'll report back with my findings if RL doesn't get to it first.
ETA: First thing I figured out... I can't spell Giuliani...
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