05-04-2007, 23:50
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Keeping a Journal?
I tend to write a lot and was curious if any of the QPs or Selectees kept a journal while going through selection. This may be a moot point since you are only allowed 1 notebook (according to the packing list) but I wasn't sure if a journal counted (splitting hairs but you never know unless you ask). If worse comes to worse there's always the margins in a novel 
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05-05-2007, 06:44
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That's two
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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05-05-2007, 09:31
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Roger that, thank you for the clarification.
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05-05-2007, 10:01
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Not going for the Gray Man technique, eh?
Looks like you are working on an impressive post count before considering quality.
TR
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05-05-2007, 10:16
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I just have to say this….
Two months ago I was in Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg to watch my son graduate SFQC. That special day occurred just two months after his 20th birthday.
In the days following graduation we spent some quality father and son time together. One thing I noticed was a recurring theme that my son had a general disdain for other young men his age.
When I inquired about this new found attitude his explanation was “They make my life hard”. I pressed for more information and he said “I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
At the time I thought my son was riding the crest of his own little ego wave. (Which I figured was somewhat to be expected based on his accomplishment.)
However, the more I read introductions and posts by “other” 20 year olds, many with college and entry level military training (ROTC)…. I completely understand my son’s attitude and statements.
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05-05-2007, 10:30
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Originally Posted by 112thSOLCA
I just have to say this….
Two months ago I was in Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg to watch my son graduate SFQC. That special day occurred just two months after his 20th birthday.
In the days following graduation we spent some quality father and son time together. One thing I noticed was a recurring theme that my son had a general disdain for other young men his age.
When I inquired about this new found attitude his explanation was “They make my life hard”. I pressed for more information and he said “I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
At the time I thought my son was riding the crest of his own little ego wave. (Which I figured was somewhat to be expected based on his accomplishment.)
However, the more I read introductions and posts by “other” 20 year olds, many with college and entry level military training (ROTC)…. I completely understand my son’s attitude and statements.
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Well said!
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05-05-2007, 11:33
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When I inquired about this new found attitude his explanation was “They make my life hard”. I pressed for more information and he said “I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
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Excellent statement of understanding. I know you're proud of your son.
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05-05-2007, 11:54
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Originally Posted by 112thSOLCA
I just have to say this….
Two months ago I was in Fayetteville/Ft. Bragg to watch my son graduate SFQC. That special day occurred just two months after his 20th birthday.
In the days following graduation we spent some quality father and son time together. One thing I noticed was a recurring theme that my son had a general disdain for other young men his age.
When I inquired about this new found attitude his explanation was “They make my life hard”. I pressed for more information and he said “I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
At the time I thought my son was riding the crest of his own little ego wave. (Which I figured was somewhat to be expected based on his accomplishment.)
However, the more I read introductions and posts by “other” 20 year olds, many with college and entry level military training (ROTC)…. I completely understand my son’s attitude and statements.
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Obviously congratulations are in order. He's defined the problem, that's half the battle. A little bit of time w/a deployment or two and he'll have the creds too. After that nobody will ever again mistake him for a member of the previous "peer group". Peregrino
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05-05-2007, 16:02
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“I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
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I am SOOOOO Stealing that Quote. Did he come up with that or was it written somewhere?
Probably what the few squared away Instructors we have here say to themselves. When referring to the not so squared away instructors we have here. NDD!!! we have a quote for the sign, to hang under the Hangar
NOPE EVEN BETTER A NEW PATCH, I GOT IT, our Sig Line
We cant bring ourselves to admit any possible affiliation. Until we first prove to all, we are not one of them (referring to the only ones that could, did)
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05-06-2007, 05:49
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Originally Posted by 112thSOLCA
I can’t even start to meet the standard until I first prove I am not one of them’
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That is a very interesting observation and one that has haunted me before every assignment I have ever taken. I have found that there has been a general distrust of officers by troops throughout my career that your first hurdle has been to gain the trust of the troops because of the abuses of position and power by predecessors. This probably should be a SOF leadership imperative in every officer entry program. Just my opinion based on limited experience.
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05-06-2007, 10:50
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"Before you can begin to prove you belong among Them, you first have to prove you are not merely one of them."
I'm really liking this. 112thSOLCA, your young man has talent.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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05-06-2007, 10:51
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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
That is a very interesting observation and one that has haunted me before every assignment I have ever taken. I have found that there has been a general distrust of officers by troops throughout my career that your first hurdle has been to gain the trust of the troops because of the abuses of position and power by predecessors. This probably should be a SOF leadership imperative in every officer entry program. Just my opinion based on limited experience.
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Great application. Very fitting Sir.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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05-06-2007, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
That is a very interesting observation and one that has haunted me before every assignment I have ever taken. I have found that there has been a general distrust of officers by troops throughout my career that your first hurdle has been to gain the trust of the troops because of the abuses of position and power by predecessors. This probably should be a SOF leadership imperative in every officer entry program. Just my opinion based on limited experience.
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This applies in a lot of situations. I find myself doing this when in a position where I can be stereotyped, without realizing it. Proving I'm not one of the arrogant Americans. Instructors who preceded me in my present job were typical arrogant, whining Americans. Took us some time to fix this. Working with regular Army is another hard one. Giving assistance without coming across as knowing it all. Gaining the trust of students in SWC.
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05-05-2007, 17:10
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Teg,
What is more important to you right now? Surviving selection, or writing your journal? Considering your lack of SA in here, I wouldn't worry about only having one notebook, as your journal may go something like this:
Day 1 Inprocessed,,,,
Day 2 Out processed,,,,
Now you may have more flair with a pen than I, but I have confidence going for me that all the flair in the world won't save your bacon. In between your PT sessions, try researching the drop out rates of the soldiers attending SFAS. You may find you won't have time for a journal, unless it is titled "How I Wasted 3 Weeks in NC". Your fantasy and reality may collide head on if you are not prepared.
Teg, do yourself a favor, and research what you are about to get into, AND practice radio silence!! You can't receive info if you are constantly transmitting. I do wish you luck, and hope other ambitious future QP's luck as well. But you gotta remember,,,,,,,, Learning here from BTDT's = Good idea. Learning from Sgt Remorsless in SFAS = Bad idea.
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05-05-2007, 18:54
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And there you have it.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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