03-31-2007, 06:00
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General tried to warn Bush on Tillman
General tried to warn Bush on Tillman
Memo shows suspicions on soldier’s death weeks before family was told
AP Associated Press Updated: 8:42 p.m. ET March 30, 2007
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"IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT A 15-6 INVESTIGATION NEARING COMPLETION WILL FIND THAT IT IS HIGHLY POSSIBLE THAT CORPORAL TILLMAN WAS KILLED BY FRIENDLY FIRE. THIS POTENTIAL FINDING IS EXACERBATED BY THE UNCONFIRMED BUT SUSPECTED REPORTS THAT POTUS AND THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY MIGHT INCLUDE COMMENTS ABOUT CORPORAL TILLMAN'S HEROISM AND HIS APPROVED SILVER STAR MEDAL IN SPEECHES CURRENTLY BEING PREPARED, NOT KNOWING THE SPECIFICS SURROUNDING HIS DEATH. ...
I FELT THAT IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE DETECTED IT IN ORDER TO PRECLUDE ANY UNKNOWING STATEMENTS BY OUR COUNTRY'S LEADERS WHICH MIGHT CAUSE PUBLIC EMBARRASSMENT IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF CORPORAL TILLMAN'S DEATH BECOME PUBLIC."
In a memo sent to Gen. John Abizaid on April 29, 2004, Gen. Stan McChrystal warns him that the possibility that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire could be embarrassing for President Bush and the secretary of the Army.
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Can someone please explain to me the never-ending fascination with the Tillman death? I got it…he was killed in a friendly fire action. That has got to be the worst situation ever…I am sure that if I were ever the cause of a friendly fire death it would take 100 years of therapy to just stop me from be catatonic! But why is everyone out to pin this on Bush, Rumsfield, Brownlee and now LTG McCrystal? This was a mistake by troops in a combat zone…who were under fire!!! Do I think there was a cover up…NO! Do I think officials realized this was bad…YES! Do I think that all these investigations are dragging the name of a good Ranger down…YES! Tillman is still a hero in the eyes of many; he turned down fame and fortune to serve his county and he took a hard road to fulfill that duty - Ranger Batt. He was killed in action, and although tragic this does happen in the fog of war.
Why is it that every FF incident doesn't receives this much coverage? I think the Tillman family must be hanging out with Cindy Sheehan!
If I am wrong on this let me know!!
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03-31-2007, 06:58
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He was a celebrity, worth a lot of money, and the family will not let it go.
It would appear that they are opposed to the war, and the POTUS, and are being encouraged to keep up the fire.
This has already cost two good SF Generals their careers, it would appear that even that was not enough.
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03-31-2007, 07:05
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My take is that the biggest complaint/issue isn't that it was friendly fire...
it is that they feel they've been deceived in the failure to accurately report the truth surrounding the death.
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04-01-2007, 06:13
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I was hoping this would go to bed. It probably will be around until after the next election.
I don't remember names well but one of the Generals said he delayed the report waiting for the proper timr. That is a decision I never want to make. When is the proper time got the good news bad news report? The good news is that the enemy didn't kill your son. The bad news is that we did.
Rather than Sheehan I think of Jessica Lynch. The MEDIA grabbed and ran with a story then when it fell through they blamed it on the government. SOS.
One thing is certain, Cpl Tillman doesn't give a crap.
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04-01-2007, 06:20
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Originally Posted by QRQ 30
When is the proper time got the good news bad news report?
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In an effort not to get blind sided at the worst possible time, a battalion commander of mine always said "Bad news does not get any better with time."
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04-01-2007, 06:24
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I totally agree! It may have been a CYV attempt at an excuse,
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08-13-2010, 18:21
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
He was a celebrity, worth a lot of money, and the family will not let it go.
It would appear that they are opposed to the war, and the POTUS, and are being encouraged to keep up the fire.
This has already cost two good SF Generals their careers, it would appear that even that was not enough.
TR
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The problem always starts with the first damn lie/falsehood. The platoon leader and/ or company CO knew the damn truth. No way do you write a SS up for any FF incident. Somewhere there are eye witness statements for the SS. Maybe not. A Division CG could issue a SS back in 68. The paperwork for the SS tells who the frauds are and/or leads to a serious problem higher up.
This family is a real problem. I had men like many of us have had who died doing serious valorous actions, and; they got/received zip.
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