10-06-2006, 14:59
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10-06-2006, 16:06
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BMT - Thanks, that is an excellent read. I may even have to print it so I can actually study it. Peregrino
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10-06-2006, 17:16
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Has not the Sec of Defense Rumsfeld been trying to combat this very issue by making the military a lighter more maneuverable force? And isn't his actions the reason why so many general officers are speaking out against him?
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10-06-2006, 17:41
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Almost completely ignores the insurgent/ counter-insurgent contributions of SOF in general and SF in particular. Disregards case studies like Central America in the '80s when they do not fit his model.
Very pro-Marine and cites their performance in the I Corps Tacitical Zone of RVN while ignoring Army SF efforts in that region and the fact that the debacle of Khe Sahn was a Marine program. A quick look at the USMC comments and plan prior to their post-war participation in Iraq will demonstrate that the Corps was no better at counter-insurgency than the Army.
I concur with some of his points about Big Army, DoD, the QDR, force structure, and the lack of post-war planning and efforts. Big Army was still teaching the defense of the Fulda Gap from the Soviet Army six years after the Wall fell. One two-hour exercise was dedicated to SO/LIC.
The text by Weigl which the title of the article comes from is much better.
B-Minus.
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10-06-2006, 19:50
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
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And with some selective reasoning applied...as a survivor-participant of Restore Hope, I recall the USMC was the core of the JTF...not that Somalia was a COIN operation, but for the better part of the first six months, the Marines were in charge...and not functioning all that effectively, either in managing a multi-national task force or at population and resource control...Lebanon was also a Marine-led fuster cluck and while not directly involved, I had a view from the cheap seats and as I recall, Uncle Sam's Misguided Children didn't fare too well there...
I am not saying the Army would have done better, as TR has stated, Big Army had problems with anything south of Fulda, but outside of the SOF community, LIC/COIN or anything else short of tank battles and strategic bombing got short shrift during my watch...
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10-07-2006, 19:21
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Thanks for the insight on Rummy.........I was not aware he held the USMC in such high regard.
Jim
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